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16 Mar 2006 - 9:35am
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agajendra
2006

Hi All

I was just comparing. Microsoft windows Live image search provides more
result (in numbers )than other image search engines if user keeps setting
as small display by horizontal controller. At the same time web result shows
a range of 3-6 result per view and other search engines show around 10.

I wanted to know weather designing these type of information display
requires human eye information scanning studies if yes than please send me
some pointers.

I observed that the Live's smart scroll is so smooth that I keep doing
scroll and scroll. My attention goes more on scrolling and its smooth
movement and less on information content. Does anyone experience same?

Although it provides page counters on the top and number of search results
but sometime I don't know how deep I have come in to the page and to go back
to a specific result I have to click so many times.

It's my personal observation as a user...I would like to know your
validation.

Regards

Gajendra Agrawal
www.gajendraagrawal.com
www.hciindia.com

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16 Mar 2006 - 12:24pm
agajendra
2006

Hi All

I was just comparing. Microsoft windows Live image search provides more
result (in numbers )than other image search engines if user keeps setting
as small display by horizontal controller. At the same time web result shows
a range of 3-6 result per view and other search engines show around 10.

I wanted to know weather designing these type of information display
requires human eye information scanning studies if yes than please send me
some pointers.

I observed that the Live's smart scroll is so smooth that I keep doing
scroll and scroll. My attention goes more on scrolling and its smooth
movement and less on information content. Does anyone experience same?

Although it provides page counters on the top and number of search results
but sometime I don't know how deep I have come in to the page and to go back
to a specific result I have to click so many times.

It's my personal observation as a user...I would like to know your
validation.

Regards
Gajendra Agrawal

www.gajendraagrawal.com
www.hciindia.com

16 Mar 2006 - 1:10pm
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

And speaking of Live, has anyone noticed the "infinite scrollbar" when you
do a search?

http://www.live.com/#q=eep&offset=4

Personally, I think the interaction is pretty weak. It provides no visual
feedback beyond the results counter at the top, and it means if you've
scrolled through a bunhc of results, it takes a LONG time to get back to the
top. You can click on what appears to be the equivalent of a scroll handle
to scroll more quickly, but you have to time your clicks just right (roughly
half a second apart), else it gets pretty jumpy and unpredictable.

-r-

On 3/16/06, gajendra agrawal <gajendra.agrawal at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
>
> Hi All
>
>
> I was just comparing. Microsoft windows Live image search provides more
> result (in numbers )than other image search engines if user keeps setting
> as small display by horizontal controller. At the same time web result
> shows
> a range of 3-6 result per view and other search engines show around 10.
>
> I wanted to know weather designing these type of information display
> requires human eye information scanning studies if yes than please send me
> some pointers.
>
> I observed that the Live's smart scroll is so smooth that I keep doing
> scroll and scroll. My attention goes more on scrolling and its smooth
> movement and less on information content. Does anyone experience same?
>
> Although it provides page counters on the top and number of search results
> but sometime I don't know how deep I have come in to the page and to go
> back
> to a specific result I have to click so many times.
>
>
> It's my personal observation as a user...I would like to know your
> validation.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Gajendra Agrawal
> www.gajendraagrawal.com
> www.hciindia.com
> ________________________________________________________________
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16 Mar 2006 - 3:58pm
Ryan Nichols
2005

I can't believe they left off rank numbers or any other indicator of
'where' you are in the results. All search engines start with some
sort of ranking by relevance, so we automatically assume top MAY be
more relevant than bottom. Not knowing how 'close' or 'far' I was
from the top was very confusing.

I also suffered very poor performance with my g4 in Camino.

Ryan Nichols
Apples To Oranges
www.apples-to-oranges.com

On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Robert Hoekman, Jr. wrote:

> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
>
> And speaking of Live, has anyone noticed the "infinite scrollbar"
> when you
> do a search?
>
> http://www.live.com/#q=eep&offset=4
>
> Personally, I think the interaction is pretty weak. It provides no
> visual
> feedback beyond the results counter at the top, and it means if you've
> scrolled through a bunhc of results, it takes a LONG time to get
> back to the
> top. You can click on what appears to be the equivalent of a scroll
> handle
> to scroll more quickly, but you have to time your clicks just right
> (roughly
> half a second apart), else it gets pretty jumpy and unpredictable.
>
> -r-
>
>
> On 3/16/06, gajendra agrawal <gajendra.agrawal at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
>> material.]
>>
>> Hi All
>>
>>
>> I was just comparing. Microsoft windows Live image search
>> provides more
>> result (in numbers )than other image search engines if user keeps
>> setting
>> as small display by horizontal controller. At the same time web
>> result
>> shows
>> a range of 3-6 result per view and other search engines show
>> around 10.
>>
>> I wanted to know weather designing these type of information display
>> requires human eye information scanning studies if yes than please
>> send me
>> some pointers.
>>
>> I observed that the Live's smart scroll is so smooth that I keep
>> doing
>> scroll and scroll. My attention goes more on scrolling and its smooth
>> movement and less on information content. Does anyone experience
>> same?
>>
>> Although it provides page counters on the top and number of search
>> results
>> but sometime I don't know how deep I have come in to the page and
>> to go
>> back
>> to a specific result I have to click so many times.
>>
>>
>> It's my personal observation as a user...I would like to know your
>> validation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Gajendra Agrawal
>> www.gajendraagrawal.com
>> www.hciindia.com
>> ________________________________________________________________
>> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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>>
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16 Mar 2006 - 5:23pm
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

Ryan? Fancy bumping into you here. :)

-Robert Hoekman, Jr.-

On 3/16/06, Ryan Nichols <ryan at apples-to-oranges.com> wrote:
>
> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
>
> I can't believe they left off rank numbers or any other indicator of
> 'where' you are in the results. All search engines start with some
> sort of ranking by relevance, so we automatically assume top MAY be
> more relevant than bottom. Not knowing how 'close' or 'far' I was
> from the top was very confusing.
>
> I also suffered very poor performance with my g4 in Camino.
>
>
> Ryan Nichols
> Apples To Oranges
> www.apples-to-oranges.com
>
> On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Robert Hoekman, Jr. wrote:
>
> > [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> > material.]
> >
> > And speaking of Live, has anyone noticed the "infinite scrollbar"
> > when you
> > do a search?
> >
> > http://www.live.com/#q=eep&offset=4
> >
> > Personally, I think the interaction is pretty weak. It provides no
> > visual
> > feedback beyond the results counter at the top, and it means if you've
> > scrolled through a bunhc of results, it takes a LONG time to get
> > back to the
> > top. You can click on what appears to be the equivalent of a scroll
> > handle
> > to scroll more quickly, but you have to time your clicks just right
> > (roughly
> > half a second apart), else it gets pretty jumpy and unpredictable.
> >
> > -r-
> >
> >
> > On 3/16/06, gajendra agrawal <gajendra.agrawal at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> >> material.]
> >>
> >> Hi All
> >>
> >>
> >> I was just comparing. Microsoft windows Live image search
> >> provides more
> >> result (in numbers )than other image search engines if user keeps
> >> setting
> >> as small display by horizontal controller. At the same time web
> >> result
> >> shows
> >> a range of 3-6 result per view and other search engines show
> >> around 10.
> >>
> >> I wanted to know weather designing these type of information display
> >> requires human eye information scanning studies if yes than please
> >> send me
> >> some pointers.
> >>
> >> I observed that the Live's smart scroll is so smooth that I keep
> >> doing
> >> scroll and scroll. My attention goes more on scrolling and its smooth
> >> movement and less on information content. Does anyone experience
> >> same?
> >>
> >> Although it provides page counters on the top and number of search
> >> results
> >> but sometime I don't know how deep I have come in to the page and
> >> to go
> >> back
> >> to a specific result I have to click so many times.
> >>
> >>
> >> It's my personal observation as a user...I would like to know your
> >> validation.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards
> >>
> >> Gajendra Agrawal
> >> www.gajendraagrawal.com
> >> www.hciindia.com
> >> ________________________________________________________________
> >> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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17 Mar 2006 - 6:26am
agajendra
2006

The page design also hampers the advertisers and their ads because the page
does not have scrolls so it can have only limited number of ads maximum 4-5
I guess
On my monitor I could see only four ads at a time out of them I could not
see the bottom one because the layout hides some of its part sometime.

On 3/17/06, Robert Hoekman, Jr. <mmbeta at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
>
> Ryan? Fancy bumping into you here. :)
>
> -Robert Hoekman, Jr.-
>
>
> On 3/16/06, Ryan Nichols <ryan at apples-to-oranges.com> wrote:
> >
> > [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> > material.]
> >
> > I can't believe they left off rank numbers or any other indicator of
> > 'where' you are in the results. All search engines start with some
> > sort of ranking by relevance, so we automatically assume top MAY be
> > more relevant than bottom. Not knowing how 'close' or 'far' I was
> > from the top was very confusing.
> >
> > I also suffered very poor performance with my g4 in Camino.
> >
> >
> > Ryan Nichols
> > Apples To Oranges
> > www.apples-to-oranges.com
> >
> > On Mar 16, 2006, at 10:10 AM, Robert Hoekman, Jr. wrote:
> >
> > > [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> > > material.]
> > >
> > > And speaking of Live, has anyone noticed the "infinite scrollbar"
> > > when you
> > > do a search?
> > >
> > > http://www.live.com/#q=eep&offset=4
> > >
> > > Personally, I think the interaction is pretty weak. It provides no
> > > visual
> > > feedback beyond the results counter at the top, and it means if you've
> > > scrolled through a bunhc of results, it takes a LONG time to get
> > > back to the
> > > top. You can click on what appears to be the equivalent of a scroll
> > > handle
> > > to scroll more quickly, but you have to time your clicks just right
> > > (roughly
> > > half a second apart), else it gets pretty jumpy and unpredictable.
> > >
> > > -r-
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/16/06, gajendra agrawal <gajendra.agrawal at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> > >> material.]
> > >>
> > >> Hi All
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I was just comparing. Microsoft windows Live image search
> > >> provides more
> > >> result (in numbers )than other image search engines if user keeps
> > >> setting
> > >> as small display by horizontal controller. At the same time web
> > >> result
> > >> shows
> > >> a range of 3-6 result per view and other search engines show
> > >> around 10.
> > >>
> > >> I wanted to know weather designing these type of information display
> > >> requires human eye information scanning studies if yes than please
> > >> send me
> > >> some pointers.
> > >>
> > >> I observed that the Live's smart scroll is so smooth that I keep
> > >> doing
> > >> scroll and scroll. My attention goes more on scrolling and its smooth
> > >> movement and less on information content. Does anyone experience
> > >> same?
> > >>
> > >> Although it provides page counters on the top and number of search
> > >> results
> > >> but sometime I don't know how deep I have come in to the page and
> > >> to go
> > >> back
> > >> to a specific result I have to click so many times.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> It's my personal observation as a user...I would like to know your
> > >> validation.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Regards
> > >>
> > >> Gajendra Agrawal
> > >> www.gajendraagrawal.com
> > >> www.hciindia.com
> > >> ________________________________________________________________
> > >> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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> >
> >
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17 Mar 2006 - 7:29am
jbellis
2005

1) It looks like we could all pretty quickly come up with a high-consensus
laundry list of its flaws. It was slow (Note 1), bumpy, and poorly
landmarked for me, too. (Note 1: The authors would argue that the "slowness"
was simply a time shift... static web pages are quick to show you stale
words you've already seen whereas this ajax-like page is working for you
every second.) I'm seeing a bigger theme. MS, as the client-server/desktop
app thinkers, is fixated on returning to us the power of RAM, which was
taken away from 1995-2005. No, they're not the only ones making Ajax-like
stuff. I'm no MS apologist, but I believe they're going to force Google's
hand... at least for the advanced audience which is doubling (?) ever 3rd
school year. When we consult, isn't one of the toughest parts acknowledging
a promising foundation and staying focused on the improvements needed? If
they add sortable tables...

2) Does anyone else find it strange that no online search tools return a
tabular, sortable result structure like the non-online Copernic.com... which
enables you to instantly scan columns of like data. For instance, scanning
the URL column quickly filters out frivolous sites.) Obviously the quantity
of results is a factor but who cares about anything after X hundred?

www.jackBellis.com, www.UsabilityInstitute.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "gajendra agrawal" <gajendra.agrawal at gmail.com>
Subject: [IxDA Discuss] Live
> It's my personal observation as a user...I would like to know your
> validation.
>

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