Office future interface

14 Sep 2005 - 4:22am
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nuritps
2010

Just got this link from a friend
http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1
<http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1>

Thought other peolple on the list will find it interesting - hope it is
not an oldy...

I'm not sure what I think about it, in a first quick look the toolbars
look a bit confusing, aren't they?

Nurit

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14 Sep 2005 - 5:23am
Richard Czerwonka
2005

I have a real problem with a toolbar being the prime method of command selection. It
makes it very hard to use just the keyboard when a mouse is impractical.

On 14 Sep 2005 at 12:22, Nurit Peres wrote:

> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
>
> Just got this link from a friend
> http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1
> <http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1>
>
> Thought other peolple on the list will find it interesting - hope it
> is not an oldy...
>
> I'm not sure what I think about it, in a first quick look the toolbars
> look a bit confusing, aren't they?
>
> Nurit
>
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14 Sep 2005 - 6:32am
Gerard
2005

Is there any room left for the document itself, I wonder.

Regards,
Gerard

Richard (ENT Technologies) schreef:

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>I have a real problem with a toolbar being the prime method of command selection. It
>makes it very hard to use just the keyboard when a mouse is impractical.
>
>
>On 14 Sep 2005 at 12:22, Nurit Peres wrote:
>
>
>
>>[Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
>>material.]
>>
>>Just got this link from a friend
>>http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1
>><http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1>
>>
>>Thought other peolple on the list will find it interesting - hope it
>>is not an oldy...
>>
>>I'm not sure what I think about it, in a first quick look the toolbars
>>look a bit confusing, aren't they?
>>
>>Nurit
>>
>>
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14 Sep 2005 - 6:48am
Hegle Sarapuu
2005

Hi,

Looks like MS will come out with new digital signature solution. I never seen digital signature solutions wich shows like handwrite one. Digital signature is just a code which protects file against changes and will tell to reader that person who has signed it takes responses of what he/she did sign. As far as I know isn't digital signature a hand-written signature copy in computer. Otherwise anyone can sign for you, even documents you never would :D. If you design it so, nobody will even check is that signature real. But it is just a picture, so it can be whole different thing.

Hegle Sarapuu

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Is there any room left for the document itself, I wonder.

Regards,
Gerard

Richard (ENT Technologies) schreef:

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>I have a real problem with a toolbar being the prime method of command selection. It
>makes it very hard to use just the keyboard when a mouse is impractical.
>
>
>On 14 Sep 2005 at 12:22, Nurit Peres wrote:
>
>
>
>>[Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
>>material.]
>>
>>Just got this link from a friend
>>http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1
>><http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1>
>>
>>Thought other peolple on the list will find it interesting - hope it
>>is not an oldy...
>>
>>I'm not sure what I think about it, in a first quick look the toolbars
>>look a bit confusing, aren't they?
>>
>>Nurit
>>
>>
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14 Sep 2005 - 7:05am
Alain D. M. G. ...
2003

The people doing these designs are probably working on "triplemons",
three LCD monitors arrayed side by side to form one continuous desktop
about 5,000 pixels wide. To them there is lots of room left.

--- Gerard <gos at xs4all.nl> a écrit :

> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
>
> Is there any room left for the document itself, I wonder.
>
> Regards,
> Gerard
>
> Richard (ENT Technologies) schreef:
>
> >[Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
> >
> >I have a real problem with a toolbar being the prime method of
> command selection. It
> >makes it very hard to use just the keyboard when a mouse is
> impractical.
> >
> >
> >On 14 Sep 2005 at 12:22, Nurit Peres wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>[Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> >>material.]
> >>
> >>Just got this link from a friend
> >>http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1
> >><http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1>
> >>
> >>Thought other peolple on the list will find it interesting - hope
> it
> >>is not an oldy...
> >>
> >>I'm not sure what I think about it, in a first quick look the
> toolbars
> >>look a bit confusing, aren't they?
> >>
> >>Nurit
> >>
> >>
> >>
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14 Sep 2005 - 8:52am
Tom V
2005

It appears that Microsoft is trying to accomodate for 11 versions of feature
bloat by attempting to find logical groupings for the various commands. That
said, it looks like an improvement over older versions, but that is not
saying much. I have been re-reading the Raskin's The Human Interface, and it
strikes me that MS still insists on making the focus of attention icons that
get used 10-15% of the time.

On 9/14/05, Alain D. M. G. Vaillancourt <ndgmtlcd at yahoo.com> wrote:
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> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
>
> The people doing these designs are probably working on "triplemons",
> three LCD monitors arrayed side by side to form one continuous desktop
> about 5,000 pixels wide. To them there is lots of room left.
>
> --- Gerard <gos at xs4all.nl> a écrit :
>
> > [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> > material.]
> >
> > Is there any room left for the document itself, I wonder.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gerard
> >
> > Richard (ENT Technologies) schreef:
> >
> > >[Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> > material.]
> > >
> > >I have a real problem with a toolbar being the prime method of
> > command selection. It
> > >makes it very hard to use just the keyboard when a mouse is
> > impractical.
> > >
> > >
> > >On 14 Sep 2005 at 12:22, Nurit Peres wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>[Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> > >>material.]
> > >>
> > >>Just got this link from a friend
> > >>http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1
> > >><http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1>
> > >>
> > >>Thought other peolple on the list will find it interesting - hope
> > it
> > >>is not an oldy...
> > >>
> > >>I'm not sure what I think about it, in a first quick look the
> > toolbars
> > >>look a bit confusing, aren't they?
> > >>
> > >>Nurit
> > >>
> > >>
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14 Sep 2005 - 8:57am
Tom Ollar
2005

Thanks for the post!

Looks like typical "UI" design.

See Alan Cooper in The Inmates Are Running the Asylum for more on "painting
the corpse"...

14 Sep 2005 - 10:38am
Carolyn Jewel
2005

<snip>
Looks like MS will come out with new digital signature solution. I never
seen digital signature solutions wich shows like handwrite one. Digital
signature is just a code which protects file against changes and will
tell to reader that person who has signed it takes responses of what
he/she did sign. As far as I know isn't digital signature a hand-written
signature copy in computer. Otherwise anyone can sign for you, even
documents you never would :D. If you design it so, nobody will even
check is that signature real. But it is just a picture, so it can be
whole different thing.
</snip>

In terms of computer security a digital signature is the result of a
secure hash algorithm that, when applied to a message to be sent, and
again by the recipient, will enable the recipient to determine whether
the message really came from the signer and if the message has been
changed since it left the sender. In this context, a digital signature
has nothing to do with a digitized image of a physical signature. For
more information, you might check out
http://www.itl.nist.gov/fipspubs/fip186.htm

Carolyn Jewel
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14 Sep 2005 - 5:55pm
Josh Seiden
2003

It appears that I'm the only interaction designer outside of Redmond who
thinks this has promise.

I like the gallery menus and contextual panels shown here:

http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/uioverview.mspx

Yes yes, some of it's cluttered and fussy. But the small gallery menus seem
like a good technique. I see them working nicely when text menus are too
obscure, dialogs and wizards are too in-your-face, and secondary panes are
taking up too much space.

Used judiciously (ok, ok) these seem pretty sweet.

Call the papers! Designer defends Microsoft!

JS
------------

Just got this link from a friend http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1
<http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1>

Thought other peolple on the list will find it interesting - hope it is not
an oldy...

14 Sep 2005 - 7:54pm
Richard Czerwonka
2005

I don't mind command tabs at all. What I don't think is a good idea is using them to
replace standard menus, rather than providing them as an alternative.

On 14 Sep 2005 at 18:55, Joshua Seiden wrote:

> It appears that I'm the only interaction designer outside of Redmond
> who thinks this has promise.
>
> I like the gallery menus and contextual panels shown here:
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/uioverview.mspx
>
> Yes yes, some of it's cluttered and fussy. But the small gallery menus
> seem like a good technique. I see them working nicely when text menus
> are too obscure, dialogs and wizards are too in-your-face, and
> secondary panes are taking up too much space.
>
> Used judiciously (ok, ok) these seem pretty sweet.
>
> Call the papers! Designer defends Microsoft!
>
> JS

=================
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ENT Technologies
Mob: 0412 104 042
=================

14 Sep 2005 - 8:30pm
Josh Seiden
2003

Why do you think replacing standard menus is a bad idea?

In your first post, you mentioned the need for keyboard-centric command
entry, and I agree with that, especially for a word processor. But these
gallery menus seem as compatible with keyboard accelerators as more typical
text-based menus.

JS

-----Original Message-----

I don't mind command tabs at all. What I don't think is a good idea is using
them to
replace standard menus, rather than providing them as an alternative.

14 Sep 2005 - 1:29pm
Renato Almeida
2005

Here is the link to Microsoft web site with some explanations and screen
shots:
http://www.microsoft.com/office/preview/uioverview.mspx

On 9/14/05, Carolyn Jewel <Carolyn.Jewel at legacynet.com> wrote:
>
> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
>
> <snip>
> Looks like MS will come out with new digital signature solution. I never
> seen digital signature solutions wich shows like handwrite one. Digital
> signature is just a code which protects file against changes and will
> tell to reader that person who has signed it takes responses of what
> he/she did sign. As far as I know isn't digital signature a hand-written
> signature copy in computer. Otherwise anyone can sign for you, even
> documents you never would :D. If you design it so, nobody will even
> check is that signature real. But it is just a picture, so it can be
> whole different thing.
> </snip>
>
> In terms of computer security a digital signature is the result of a
> secure hash algorithm that, when applied to a message to be sent, and
> again by the recipient, will enable the recipient to determine whether
> the message really came from the signer and if the message has been
> changed since it left the sender. In this context, a digital signature
> has nothing to do with a digitized image of a physical signature. For
> more information, you might check out
> http://www.itl.nist.gov/fipspubs/fip186.htm
>
> Carolyn Jewel
>

14 Sep 2005 - 7:12pm
Dave Cortright
2005

I like it too. It looks like they're finally organizing commands by high-level task rather than continuing to jam them into some ancient File Edit View... taxonomy. Plus big kudos for replacing two ways to do something (menu or button) with one.

I do think it's strange they went with a horizontal ribbon, and docked it to the top of the window rather than vertical floating palettes that other apps (including Mac Office!) currently use.

----- Original Message ----
From: Joshua Seiden <josh at 36partners.com>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2005 3:55:05 PM
Subject: RE: [ID Discuss] Office future interface

It appears that I'm the only interaction designer outside of Redmond who
thinks this has promise.

15 Sep 2005 - 2:43pm
Petteri Hiisilä
2004

Nurit Peres kirjoitti 14.9.2005 kello 12.22:

> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
>
> Just got this link from a friend
> http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1
> <http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1>
>
> Thought other peolple on the list will find it interesting - hope
> it is
> not an oldy...

Very interesting indeed. It seems that while the Windows Vista's
creative work is done in Cupertino, the Office team is actually doing
some innovation of its own. This is a good direction!

- The command tabs have the same pedagogic effect in showing the
capabilities of the software as the menus used to have.
- Scanning the contents of each tab is fast. There's lots of room for
visual clues.
- The screen estate problem is disappearing all the time, because the
monitors are becoming better.

In another words, the tabs have practically everything what's good in
menus, plus they enable a lot of useful interactions that aren't
possible with traditional menus.

It's like navigating application commands instead of navigating web
pages.

I'm just thinking, whether it would be possible to "turn on" several
tabs at the time. People with bigger monitors could benefit from
that. The Office Mac has a vertical command bar that keeps
frequently used functionality open all the time with rich controls.
It's not just a toolbar. Office 12 seems to have somewhat similar
approach, but it's horizontal instead of vertical.

The new Office interface is also a good example, why it's not always
smart to follow so called "Windows standards". If there is a new,
significantly better interaction paradigm, it should be used. Just
like Microsoft itself is doing. Interaction designers shouldn't
follow, but find the way :)

Best,
Petteri

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15 Sep 2005 - 1:46pm
Greg Petroff
2004

The ui displays tools contextually. That's great. They must have been
spending time looking at high end visual design apps where this construct is
pretty common.

-greg

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15 Sep 2005 - 1:59pm
Greg Petroff
2004

Ok,

I will fess up, in my past life I worked for vizrt a broadcast graphics
software company. Their gfx application called viz|artist has no drop down
menus and has used the same construct as the new MS Office for the last 10
years. From my experience it's way way way easier to use and helps users to
discover deeper functionality then systems with menuing. And it has the
potential to lesson screen clutter becuase the ui only shows you relevant
tools based on what you are trying to do. Using the system without a mouse
can be managed with function keys or other keyboard shortcuts.

Its also much easier to teach others on how to use the application because
once you understand the top level construct you can find the things you need
by just exploring. Looks very promising.

--gp

On 9/15/05, Gregory Petroff <greg.petroff at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The ui displays tools contextually. That's great. They must have been
> spending time looking at high end visual design apps where this construct is
> pretty common.
>
> -greg
>
>
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> Mobile # 646 387 2841

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15 Sep 2005 - 5:13pm
Bill Scott
2005

It seems like they are a combination of pull down-menus, toolbars and contextual menus (like right click menus and enable/disable of regular menus). An interesting combination.

It is also intersting to note that this interface would probably work well visually in either a web page for a web application or on the desktop. Instead of providing tabs or menus for RIAs the command tab approach seems like it might be a way to have a single interface for both web and desktop.

The caveat is that I am speaking about web applications or rich single page web applications. Also the event model to support command tabs must be rich to determine context based on selection or user intent.

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Subject: Re: [ID Discuss] Office future interface

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Nurit Peres kirjoitti 14.9.2005 kello 12.22:

> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted  
> material.]
>
> Just got this link from a friend
> http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1
> <http://pdc.xbetas.com/?page=o12preview1>
>
> Thought other peolple on the list will find it interesting - hope  
> it is
> not an oldy...

Very interesting indeed. It seems that while the Windows Vista's  
creative work is done in Cupertino, the Office team is actually doing  
some innovation of its own. This is a good direction!

- The command tabs have the same pedagogic effect in showing the  
capabilities of the software as the menus used to have.
- Scanning the contents of each tab is fast. There's lots of room for  
visual clues.
- The screen estate problem is disappearing all the time, because the  
monitors are becoming better.

In another words, the tabs have practically everything what's good in  
menus, plus they enable a lot of useful interactions that aren't  
possible with traditional menus.

It's like navigating application commands instead of navigating web  
pages.

I'm just thinking, whether it would be possible to "turn on" several  
tabs at the time. People with bigger monitors could benefit from  
that.  The Office Mac has a vertical command bar that keeps  
frequently used functionality open all the time with rich controls.  
It's not just a toolbar. Office 12 seems to have somewhat similar  
approach, but it's horizontal instead of vertical.

The new Office interface is also a good example, why it's not always  
smart to follow so called "Windows standards". If there is a new,  
significantly better interaction paradigm, it should be used. Just  
like Microsoft itself is doing. Interaction designers shouldn't  
follow, but find the way :)

Best,
Petteri

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Senior Interaction Designer
IX Design Tmi / +358505050123 / petteri.hiisila at luukku.com

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