Google Wave - Very first impressions

6 Oct 2009 - 8:45am
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Roland Studer
2008

Hi

Got my invite for Google Wave today, and played around with it a little.
It's hard to judge it that early, and I only participated in public
discussions, no private ones.

Right now Google Wave feels somewhat messy to me, the combination of
wiki-like features, chat and forum (threaded conversations) is somewhat
confusing. Maybe this is just at first.

The way the conversations are presented in the inbox seem to focus a lot on
the topics, less on the people. People are only presented by their picture,
this could become very confusing, if someone changes his/her picture.

Also I think the direct combination of wiki and conversation doesn't work
too well. Some content is wiki like, should be updated, should be somewhat
permanent, like a packing list for a camping trip, other content is pure
conversation. The more permanent content has the same weight as
conversational content and has no extra indicator that it's there to stay. I
think the paradigm stackoverflow.com uses, works better for the combination
of information & conversation.

What do you think? This is as said a very early impression, as I haven't
done too much with google wave yet, and also don't forget how young this
product is, it will still evolve. That said, I see huge potential in the
plugin structure, for example think of tools to fix a date (like doodle.com)
embeded direclty into the conversation.

Looking forward to hear your thoughts!

Roland Studer

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7 Oct 2009 - 1:44am
Roland Studer
2008

Hi Andrew
Yes they started to give out "nominations" to the current wave users (you
can nominate people, but they currently don't get access right away, I
think).

I guess Google is is primarily a developers/engineering company and that's
probably how they understand the world. But to some extend it makes sense,
because the more I think about it, the value of Google Wave doesn't lie in
the functionality Google currently provides but in the vast possibilities of
social rooms (waves) where one can add functionality at will, with bots,
plugins and stuff. And to make Google Wave attractive they need a lot of
good little plugins and bots. That's why a focus on developpers might make
some sense.

But for Google Wave to be succesful a lot has to happen, in my opinion,
there are some things which are to tackle:
- Importance of stuff, keeping the overview: With one inbox everything comes
in with the same importance, wether it is a personal message, or some
discussion which is crowded with people, you really have to organize
yourself, because it feels very noisy if you don't, and currently this is
not very well supported, it easily possible to organize, but not very easy.
- the integration of additional functionality is realized in a strange way,
those things called bots are great in a functional way, but a very strange
concept to be understood by a common user.

So, I would say, Google Wave is currently very interesting for developpers,
but they really should work on supporting the goals of the users, which are
probably not that well-defined currently. It's a new thing, it's very
flexible, so I guess nobody is really quite sure what it is, and what it
really will be :-)

Cheers
Roland

On Wed, Oct 7, 2009 at 4:12 AM, Andrew Boyd <facibus at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Roland,
>
> Google have started handing out invites to non-developers? Two months ago
> they were adamant that only developers were to play with Wave - I went on
> record at the time as saying that was probably the silliest thing I'd ever
> heard of, because it needed to produce things that would be useful to
> everyone.
>
> The organiser of the local GDD wanted to advertise the developer-only
> developer day via our local uxbookclub list, and couldn't see why I thought
> it was inappropriate. Scary.
>
> Cheers, Andrew
>
> Andrew Boyd facibus at gmail.com
> http://uxbookclub.org -- connect, read, discuss
>
>
>
> On 07/10/2009, at 12:45 AM, Roland Studer <roland.studer at avertas.ch>
> wrote:
>
> Hi
>>
>> Got my invite for Google Wave today, and played around with it a little.
>> It's hard to judge it that early, and I only participated in public
>> discussions, no private ones.
>>
>> Right now Google Wave feels somewhat messy to me, the combination of
>> wiki-like features, chat and forum (threaded conversations) is somewhat
>> confusing. Maybe this is just at first.
>>
>> The way the conversations are presented in the inbox seem to focus a lot
>> on
>> the topics, less on the people. People are only presented by their
>> picture,
>> this could become very confusing, if someone changes his/her picture.
>>
>> Also I think the direct combination of wiki and conversation doesn't work
>> too well. Some content is wiki like, should be updated, should be somewhat
>> permanent, like a packing list for a camping trip, other content is pure
>> conversation. The more permanent content has the same weight as
>> conversational content and has no extra indicator that it's there to stay.
>> I
>> think the paradigm stackoverflow.com uses, works better for the
>> combination
>> of information & conversation.
>>
>> What do you think? This is as said a very early impression, as I haven't
>> done too much with google wave yet, and also don't forget how young this
>> product is, it will still evolve. That said, I see huge potential in the
>> plugin structure, for example think of tools to fix a date (like
>> doodle.com)
>> embeded direclty into the conversation.
>>
>> Looking forward to hear your thoughts!
>>
>> Roland Studer
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7 Oct 2009 - 1:52am
dszuc
2005

On initial looks Google Wave as a product feels disconnected from
existing Google products like Docs, mail, RSS feeds, Gtalk, calendar
and your existing Contacts List.

My question is how would this replace other ways people are already
collaborating on Google?

I do like the idea of a "wave component" but yet to see this play
out as a platform in its own right.

rgds,
Dan

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8 Oct 2009 - 3:10am
dirtandrust
2008

It's not Wave but the protocol it uses, XMPP, that Google is trying
to leverage with this new app. If more devs jump on the bandwagon,
Google controls yet another platform for communication.

I have only seen the demo video for Wave but even with that small
view I get the impression it's just a mashup of everything that's
out there, primarily to show the capabilities of the XMPP platform.

More here (and search google for more!)
http://www.process-one.net/en/imtrends/article/google_wave_another_steps_toward_xmpp_powering_the_real_time_web

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9 Oct 2009 - 12:11am
Jarod Tang
2007

Like google social,impresive with doubtful future

Sent from my iPod

On 8 Oct 2009, at 1:10 AM, Nathaniel Flick <natobasso at gmail.com> wrote:

> It's not Wave but the protocol it uses, XMPP, that Google is trying
> to leverage with this new app. If more devs jump on the bandwagon,
> Google controls yet another platform for communication.
>
> I have only seen the demo video for Wave but even with that small
> view I get the impression it's just a mashup of everything that's
> out there, primarily to show the capabilities of the XMPP platform.
>
> More here (and search google for more!)
> http://www.process-one.net/en/imtrends/article/google_wave_another_steps_toward_xmpp_powering_the_real_time_web
>
>
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9 Oct 2009 - 12:49am
Sharon Greenfield5
2008

My first impressions:
Not very big on ease of use.
I can see how useful the functions are, but there's no way I'm going
to keep a open a whole webpage all day while I'm doing things.
Takes up too much real estate.
Until it can become like my Twitter AIR app or my IM app, which is
small and unobtrusive footprint on my desktop, I'm just not going to
adopt it.

On Oct 8, 2009, at 10:11 PM, Jarod wrote:

> Like google social,impresive with doubtful future
>
> Sent from my iPod
>
> On 8 Oct 2009, at 1:10 AM, Nathaniel Flick <natobasso at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> It's not Wave but the protocol it uses, XMPP, that Google is trying
>> to leverage with this new app. If more devs jump on the bandwagon,
>> Google controls yet another platform for communication.
>>
>> I have only seen the demo video for Wave but even with that small
>> view I get the impression it's just a mashup of everything that's
>> out there, primarily to show the capabilities of the XMPP platform.
>>
>> More here (and search google for more!)
>> http://www.process-one.net/en/imtrends/article/google_wave_another_steps_toward_xmpp_powering_the_real_time_web
>>
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> Posted from the new ixda.org
>> http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=46426
>>
>>
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8 Oct 2009 - 8:49am
IvoP
2009

I have not had a chance to play with Wave yet but attended a couple of demos this past weekend at Silicon Valley Code Camp. There was a lot of interest but my feeling was that much of it was simply because people are expecting the next "wow" thing from Google. This is what drew me to the presentations.

One thing that was not clear to me was whether Google Wave refers to the protocol/service and the app demoed is just an implementation of all the features supported, or whether the demoed app is actually "the" Wave.

Another question I had was whether conversations, "waves", can be bookmarked. Anyone know?

The Wave application demoed is interesting but extremely busy. The presenter mentioned that it was what email would be had it been invented today and I think they are right, it has a lot of transitions, color, animations and eye candy. It is very different than the zen-like design of the other Google tools & their homepage. I was not compelled by it but I think it was because I had the comparison to email in my head. If I had to interact with such an app as often as email it would stress me out.

I am more interested in the protocol, the service described and the fact that the Wave app is built with Google Web Toolkit. The plugin and widget architecture made me think that the Wave app is closer to IRC reimplemented today rather than email. I would consider Wave as a tool to look into for implementing virtual classrooms but thats all I got so far.

Maybe when I get my dev invite and can play with the Wave SDK more interesting ideas will emerge.

- Ivo

8 Oct 2009 - 6:58am
Anonymous

@Nathaniel Flick -- I don't think I understand. XMPP is an open
protocol not invented by Google. It powers Jabber, and because of
that Google Talk. Google would be unable to control it, even if they
wanted.

Google Wave would obviously be under Google control, but one of the
most intriguing aspects to me is that the server software is
available for anyone to create and install on any server. Instead of
having a wiki and SharePoint and Blogs, we can internally use
something like Google Wave with all of our confidential information
residing on local servers.

In my mind, I look at it like GMail. Yes, GMail is a force to be
reckoned with in the email space, but Google does not control email
because of it. Google Wave will be the biggest implementation of both
the XMPP protocol and the Wave software, but I don't think it
necessarily follows that Google will "control" the platform.

Maybe I'm just naive :)

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