Wood gatherers, boat architects, or sailing experience designers?

30 Mar 2009 - 8:41am
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Jarod Tang
2007

Hi David,

IMHO, what Joshua request is also quite important . For a association like
IxDA, it at least should do more than coffee time talking ( while most guys
love the coffee time talks),

1. enable more creative case based discussing ( but if there's consciously
mediated case analyze and arrangement )
2. problem&case base building by accumulating & organizing valuable
questions, which may enable more effective and community practice ( seems
some guy discussed CoP years ago ), for e.g., the facebook redesign problem
could be reformated and put onto somewhere the IxDA site with back-track to
the discussion list...

What http://www.interaction-design.org/ dose is very valuable (and should be
done by IxDA, IMHO), but this is what IxDA should do and should do much
better.

Cheers,
-- Jarod

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:22 PM, David Malouf <dave at ixda.org> wrote:

> Joshua,
>
> It is also important every once in a while when your seaman got a bug
> up their butt to let them have a good old fashion bar brawl. It is
> healthy especially in this circumstance.
>
> To be honest, there have been some great posts in this series of
> threads that so far have lasted about 3 days. And if you observe the
> energy flow, you'll notice that the tide is going out.
>
> I've been on this list for 5 years now. This happens. It is in
> response to some trigger in the wide world that as a community we
> need to cathartically deal with. This is not just a list of peers
> doing business, but a community of people. We use each other. Whether
> on Twitter or on this list (or others).
>
> I think a call to just talking about the sea, is actually counter to
> the spirit I think you represent, in that we need to allow any social
> community to address itself. In taking this back to the issue of good
> design, any good community organizer knows that the people need more
> than a mission.
>
> -- dave
>
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> Posted from the new ixda.org
> http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=40731
>
>
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30 Mar 2009 - 11:18am
Dave Malouf
2005

I agree! "more" is of what you suggest would be great! All for it. Can't
imagine arguing against that.

Sometimes though (every so often) you need to look at your navel, otherwise
it gets filled with fuzz. ;-)

AND! Leaving that discussion to just the board room, IMHO, is problematic.

This isn't a dichotomy to me, but is about balance. I'm just saying, I'd
prefer to not have an off switch. Just a volume control. ;)

(how many bad & mixed metaphors can I put in one post).

-- dave

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Jarod Tang <jarod.tang at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> IMHO, what Joshua request is also quite important . For a association like
> IxDA, it at least should do more than coffee time talking ( while most guys
> love the coffee time talks),
>
> 1. enable more creative case based discussing ( but if there's consciously
> mediated case analyze and arrangement )
> 2. problem&case base building by accumulating & organizing valuable
> questions, which may enable more effective and community practice ( seems
> some guy discussed CoP years ago ), for e.g., the facebook redesign problem
> could be reformated and put onto somewhere the IxDA site with back-track to
> the discussion list...
>
> What http://www.interaction-design.org/ dose is very valuable (and should
> be done by IxDA, IMHO), but this is what IxDA should do and should do much
> better.
>
> Cheers,
> -- Jarod
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 12:22 PM, David Malouf <dave at ixda.org> wrote:
>
>> Joshua,
>>
>> It is also important every once in a while when your seaman got a bug
>> up their butt to let them have a good old fashion bar brawl. It is
>> healthy especially in this circumstance.
>>
>> To be honest, there have been some great posts in this series of
>> threads that so far have lasted about 3 days. And if you observe the
>> energy flow, you'll notice that the tide is going out.
>>
>> I've been on this list for 5 years now. This happens. It is in
>> response to some trigger in the wide world that as a community we
>> need to cathartically deal with. This is not just a list of peers
>> doing business, but a community of people. We use each other. Whether
>> on Twitter or on this list (or others).
>>
>> I think a call to just talking about the sea, is actually counter to
>> the spirit I think you represent, in that we need to allow any social
>> community to address itself. In taking this back to the issue of good
>> design, any good community organizer knows that the people need more
>> than a mission.
>>
>> -- dave
>>
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> Posted from the new ixda.org
>> http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=40731
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________
>> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
>> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
>> Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe
>> List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines
>> List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help
>>
>
>
>
> --
> http://designforuse.blogspot.com/
>

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30 Mar 2009 - 11:27am
Angel Marquez
2008

>>I'm now ready to quit the IxDA list for the same reason.
ha, I've had that feeling a hand full of times and just when I was about to
eject someone sent me the most valuable intel that I would not have been
able to find elsewhere. I have a message board that I was indoctrinated into
that is secluded and password protected that you have to be nominated and
approved to get into and I've sworn never to login to it again & I know all
the people on it! I'm still cool in person with them; but, the antics on
there gets out of control at times. They are animals total coined their own
terms for the ultimate debate 'moded' (like in grade school you got moded,
faced man) or 'crossing the line' (everyone does it in their own special
way) or the cautionary 'watch it'. I think you need to have thick skin to
listen to intelligent debate...

You can email me and I'll tell you it's okay.

It's okay man.

31 Mar 2009 - 5:04am
Peter Van Dijck
2008

Maybe we just need a place where we can have a drunken fight once a year? Oh
wait, wasn't that the IA summit?
Peter

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:22 AM, David Malouf <dave at ixda.org> wrote:

> Joshua,
>
> It is also important every once in a while when your seaman got a bug
> up their butt to let them have a good old fashion bar brawl. It is
> healthy especially in this circumstance.
>
> To be honest, there have been some great posts in this series of
> threads that so far have lasted about 3 days. And if you observe the
> energy flow, you'll notice that the tide is going out.
>
> I've been on this list for 5 years now. This happens. It is in
> response to some trigger in the wide world that as a community we
> need to cathartically deal with. This is not just a list of peers
> doing business, but a community of people. We use each other. Whether
> on Twitter or on this list (or others).
>
> I think a call to just talking about the sea, is actually counter to
> the spirit I think you represent, in that we need to allow any social
> community to address itself. In taking this back to the issue of good
> design, any good community organizer knows that the people need more
> than a mission.
>
> -- dave
>
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
> Posted from the new ixda.org
> http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=40731
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________
> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
> Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe
> List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines
> List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help
>

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31 Mar 2009 - 5:05am
Peter Van Dijck
2008

(and I mean that in a good way.)

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Peter Van Dijck <petervandijck at gmail.com>wrote:

> Maybe we just need a place where we can have a drunken fight once a year?
> Oh wait, wasn't that the IA summit?
> Peter
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 6:22 AM, David Malouf <dave at ixda.org> wrote:
>
>> Joshua,
>>
>> It is also important every once in a while when your seaman got a bug
>> up their butt to let them have a good old fashion bar brawl. It is
>> healthy especially in this circumstance.
>>
>> To be honest, there have been some great posts in this series of
>> threads that so far have lasted about 3 days. And if you observe the
>> energy flow, you'll notice that the tide is going out.
>>
>> I've been on this list for 5 years now. This happens. It is in
>> response to some trigger in the wide world that as a community we
>> need to cathartically deal with. This is not just a list of peers
>> doing business, but a community of people. We use each other. Whether
>> on Twitter or on this list (or others).
>>
>> I think a call to just talking about the sea, is actually counter to
>> the spirit I think you represent, in that we need to allow any social
>> community to address itself. In taking this back to the issue of good
>> design, any good community organizer knows that the people need more
>> than a mission.
>>
>> -- dave
>>
>>
>> . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
>> Posted from the new ixda.org
>> http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=40731
>>
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________
>> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
>> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
>> Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe
>> List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines
>> List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help
>>
>
>
>
> --
> me: http://petervandijck.com
> blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/
> global UX consulting: http://290s.com
> free travel guides: http://poorbuthappy.com
> Belgium: (+32) 03/325 88 70
> Skype id: peterkevandijck
>

--
me: http://petervandijck.com
blog: http://poorbuthappy.com/ease/
global UX consulting: http://290s.com
free travel guides: http://poorbuthappy.com
Belgium: (+32) 03/325 88 70
Skype id: peterkevandijck

31 Mar 2009 - 8:15am
pnuschke
2007

FWIW, I use Gmail for all my mailing lists because the way it groups
conversations makes it very easy to ignore any thread that I find
particularly annoying. I also tag each mailing list and automatically
archive it, so the many, many messages do not plug up my inbox.

--
Paul Nuschke
Principal, Research & Strategy
ELECTRONIC INK©
www.electronicink.com

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 5:47 AM, Joshua Porter <porter at bokardo.com> wrote:

> I quit the SIGIA list 4 years ago because I couldn't stand the bickering.
>
> I'm now ready to quit the IxDA list for the same reason.
>
> Not saying I'm special, just saying that here is *one* vote that the
> current discourse sucks.
>
> There is a saying that I particularly like:
>
> "If you want to build a ship, don't drum up the men to gather
> wood...Instead, teach them to yearn for the vast and endless sea."
>
> So...right now we're discussing what to call the people who are gathering
> the f'ing wood. Should they be called wood gatherers, or boat architects or
> sailing experience designers?
>
> Here's a suggestion:
>
> Let's talk about the sea.
>
> Let's talk about how the Facebook interface is rewiring the way people
> interact online. Would you design it similarly? Or different...why?
>
> Let's talk about how the Kiva interface is changing economies for
> entrepreneurs in 3rd world countries. How would you design the profiles &
> reputation framework for this system?
>
> Let's talk about how the PatientsLikeMe interface allows people to manage
> their illnesses better. How would you design the relationships between the
> site and pharmaceutical companies?
>
> Let's make hypotheses, gather evidence, SHOW OUR RESEARCH & WORK, and
> discuss rationally.
>
> There are IxDA board members whose role it is to organize the community.
> Let's leave that work for them.
>
> For us regular folks on the list, the people creating the interfaces that
> enables important human interaction, let's talk about the awesome potential
> of the work we do.
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________
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