JJG's IA Summit 2009 Keynote

27 Mar 2009 - 3:17pm
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Nasir Barday
2006

The longer that thread gets, the crankier I get, so I'm starting a new one
specifically to talk about Jesse James Garrett's talk at the IA Summit last
weekend. It's what he wanted us to do, anyway.

Todd wrote

> If you truly believe that, then I don't understand how you could have a
> million problems with JJG's closing keynote. I'm still interested to know a
> few.
>

JJG had me for the majority of his keynote, but a few points lost me:

-) He alluded to some sort of war between the IA and IxD communities, and
that interaction designers were eating IA's lunch. Is this really a zero-sum
game? Talk like this only serves to drive our peeps further apart. I
expected better from a respected thought leader and someone that's been
around a while.

-) Instead of defining User Experience Design as a term to umbrella our
*practices*, he focused on umbrella-ing the *people*. A step backard if
we're trying to get away from defining job titles!

-) Even further, he proposed that UX is and always will be the only umbrella
for what each of us does, when in fact there are other ways IA and IxD
intersect with the rest of the design world; we're more than web, desktop,
and mobile designers. It's what we do now, but there are so many
non-computing problems coming down the pike that we'll be involved with that
won't fit the UX mold.

-) I LOVED the fact that he said that our practices will make the next leap
when a someone creates a truly design-led company that "makes stuff," that
kicks everyone's asses and leaves them playing catch up. By the way, that
person will not wear ANY of our titles, which made his focus on the "User
Experience Designer" title even more disappointing to me. But I have to
reiterate that I LOVE the concept of a designer creating an entity that
comes out of left field and challenges the way that people outside of our
community think. Outside of our community, people!

Thought I'd end on a positive note. It's Friday, after all ...

- Nasir

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3 Apr 2009 - 9:44am
Richard Dalton
2008

Thanks Dave, in fact I *am* doing a few things.

My goal here, however, was actually to turn that question around and
encourage the board members who serve the members of these
organizations to do everything they can to work together even more.

I also wanted to encourage discussion from the "thought leaders"
and ask them what they're doing about broader thinking and
collaboration - I think we've actually seen quite a lot of good back
and forth (and of course the usual amount of sniping and character
assassination ;-)

So now perhaps we could turn the discussion to ideas for practical
collaboration opportunities? I'll throw some of these ideas out:

- A joint "UX Job site / board / whatever"
- Someone had the idea of using JJGs "planes" to deconstruct
products and analyze how IA and IxD work together.
- Leveraging this excellent message board software for IAI

I'll post more as I think of them, anyone else?

- Richard

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3 Apr 2009 - 2:00pm
Angel Marquez
2008

Helluv Nike!

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On Apr 3, 2009, at 6:32 AM, David Malouf <dave at ixda.org> wrote:

> Richard, you believe deeply in the need for collaboration for
> yourself. That's great!
>
> Here's what I suggest you do.
>
> Do it!!!!
>
> Don't wait for the organizations to come along and do it. Just do
> it. If you feel that we are doing this work at a snail's pace, then
> figure out ways to increase the love between those peers that you
> feel will get you the most traction.
>
> Sketch > Model > Validate > Prototype > Evangelize > Build
>
> Just do the work.
>
> I often have a few people on my shoulder who carry me through moments
> like these. Right now I'm thinking about Christina W. and Andrei H.
>
> Both people are just so against talking bullshit.
> Christina has always taken her passion for communty and applied it
> directly to DOING stuff. IA Summit, Asilomar, IAI, B&A, Linked In
>
> Andrei has always said that doing it, doing all of it is the best way
> to get people to understand what it is you mean.
>
> So just do it! It is obvious that there are people who would greatly
> benefit from any sort of collaboration, or cooperation, or
> co-sponsoring, or whatever between IA & IxD in whatever manifestation
> you come up with.
>
> This is one of those things that just require vision and pull
> leadership. The followers will come if indeed it is worthy. I"ve had
> great successes and great failures in this process, but trying is the
> key!
>
> -- dave
>
>
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3 Apr 2009 - 2:32pm
morville
2010

Clearly, there are great opportunities for organizations such as IxDA and
IAI and ASIS&T to collaborate, and we should encourage cross-training and
cross-pollination. These sorts of conversations (though wearying for some of
us) are an important part of that process (so thanks Richard and Dave and
Peter and others for forcing us to engage).

However, I also believe it's equally important for these two communities to
continue to grow and evolve independently. It's been wonderful to see the
IxDA community flourish in recent years, and the discussions and events and
books that have been nurtured within and inspired by this community are
immensely valuable. I'm reading Designing Web Interfaces
(http://designingwebinterfaces.com/) by Bill Scott and Theresa Neil right
now. It's fantastic!

On the IA side, the pace has slowed these past few years, but I see the
sparks of new growth in some of the conversations catalyzed by Jesse's
plenary, and even more recently in a talk given yesterday by Dan Klyn called
Now That I See It, which I've written about briefly here:
http://www.findability.org/archives/000233.php

In short, I believe we can do great things together AND apart, so I look
forward to seeing y'all next year in Savannah and Phoenix and maybe even
Svalbard :-)

Peter Morville
President, Semantic Studios
http://semanticstudios.com/
http://findability.org/

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Thanks Dave, in fact I *am* doing a few things.

My goal here, however, was actually to turn that question around and
encourage the board members who serve the members of these organizations to
do everything they can to work together even more.

I also wanted to encourage discussion from the "thought leaders"
and ask them what they're doing about broader thinking and collaboration - I
think we've actually seen quite a lot of good back and forth (and of course
the usual amount of sniping and character assassination ;-)

So now perhaps we could turn the discussion to ideas for practical
collaboration opportunities? I'll throw some of these ideas out:

- A joint "UX Job site / board / whatever"
- Someone had the idea of using JJGs "planes" to deconstruct products and
analyze how IA and IxD work together.
- Leveraging this excellent message board software for IAI

I'll post more as I think of them, anyone else?

- Richard

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3 Apr 2009 - 5:09pm
Dave Malouf
2005

Let's not forget about Australia, Brasil, Italy, England, Malmo,
China, and a host of other places where IxD, IA and Joint events are
taking place in the coming 12months.

(btw, I really liked what you said Peter Mo.)

-- dave

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4 Apr 2009 - 9:05am
Christian Crumlish
2006

On Fri, Apr 3, 2009 at 12:44 AM, Richard Dalton <richard at mauvyrusset.com>wrote:

> Thanks Dave, in fact I *am* doing a few things.
>
> My goal here, however, was actually to turn that question around and
> encourage the board members who serve the members of these
> organizations to do everything they can to work together even more.
>

As far as I can tell, the boards of both the IAI and IxDA agreew ith this
point and are at this very moment engaged in an exploration of how and which
realms we can work together effectively (even more).

Beyond that, there is a conversation with and through the UXnet leadership
about looking for areas where we can pool our talents and resources.

-x-

--
Christian Crumlish
I'm writing a book so please forgive any lag
http://designingsocialinterfaces.com

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