The UX Challenge organizers might be insane

10 Feb 2009 - 3:12pm
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Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

Looks like the UX Challenge organizers changed a few details along the way.
>From the site <http://www.uxchallenge.com/pricing.html>:

- There's a conference fee of $2,000 per person
- The hotel is not included — it's $450 per person for four nights
- Contrary to what is implied on another
page<http://www.uxchallenge.com/concept.html>,
flights from Oslo to Svalbard are not included either

In short, assuming $1,000 for airfare to Oslo (from the USA), it would cost
close to $20,000 to send a team of five people to the UX Challenge. And this
is for an event you have to qualify for to even attend in the first place.

Who do these people think they are?

-r-

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11 Feb 2009 - 7:55pm
Jared M. Spool
2003

On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:43 PM, Andrew Boyd wrote:

> Two words: Chuck Norris ;)

Now we're getting somewhere!

11 Feb 2009 - 8:16pm
Dave Malouf
2005

I see your two words and give you one:

RAMBO

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11 Feb 2009 - 10:02pm
Den Serras
2009

I think $5,000 worth of chocolate chip cookies would go a lot farther
to promote peace than a website, but perhaps I'm naïve.

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11 Feb 2009 - 10:48pm
Russell E. Unger
2008

200 people
$5000
=========
$1,000,000

You could probably get a heckuva nice Senate seat in an
under-developed political state.

Better yet:

What world probably could you solve with $1MM?

Just a thought.

Or we could invest in DTDT across all of the disciplines. We might
need some more money, though.

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12 Feb 2009 - 7:55am
SemanticWill
2007

When I described this entire thread to my brilliant significant other
- who just won an award for the redesign of a major society non-profit
(Mazel Tov! to her), and her take is that the legitimate arguments
tend to be:
1. Not everyone has/can/wants to spend $5k to go - and thats a fair
argument
2. Some people just don't like competition.
3. A belief that no competition can achieve any goals (nor should it)
4. Sour grapes derived from the previous 3; wherein #3 is a premise; &
#2 is mostly a function of #1

Now the price of "this" conference is only outrageous, if you limit
all conference expenditure comparisons to the average price for an
american within the continuous US to travel to a relatively close city
to take part in a relatively inexpensive conference. If, instead of
going to Vancouver for IxD09 (which average cost for average american
tended towards $2500 all said and done); and the relative cost for me
to go to a design conference in - say - Tokyo is $6,000, and the cost
to go to Davos is $50,000; it all comes down to marginal benefit,
cost, and opportunity cost including time.
Now for competition - some people like the idea of competing for a
good cause - good defined as something more than Yet Another (Insert
just about 99% of all projects IxDers are working on). Just like I
will never be able to compete in the olympics, yet don't begrudge them
that even though it seems a complete waste of time; some folks will
never be able to or want to compete in a design challenge, of which
their are hundreds every year yet non of those seem to be drawing the
ire of some on the list - which is interesting.

So is it the location - which for many is no more remote than going to
Australia or New Zealand from the East Coast of American. Is it okay
to go there for a non-design competition reason, but bad to travel
that far to compete? Should we tell third world countries they
shouldn't send athletes to the Olympics because they need to feed
their people first? Or because its too far?

Or lastly - is it because rich 1st world countries should not do
things to end conflict and strife in the world? Is it silly and stupid
to think thats a bad thing? Relative to spending that exact same
amount to take your family to Europe for a week? For those of you who
still drive cars and pay well more than $5k for the privilege/right to
do so - would you besmirch someone who chose a lifestyle that means 0
carbon footprint including 0 car, so that they could go to design
conferences like this?

So that is her argument.

~ will

"Where you innovate, how you innovate,
and what you innovate are design problems"

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On Feb 11, 2009, at 7:48 PM, Russ Unger wrote:

> 200 people
> $5000
> =========
> $1,000,000
>
> You could probably get a heckuva nice Senate seat in an
> under-developed political state.
>
> Better yet:
>
> What world probably could you solve with $1MM?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Or we could invest in DTDT across all of the disciplines. We might
> need some more money, though.
>
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>
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12 Feb 2009 - 9:03am
Todd Warfel
2003

On Feb 12, 2009, at 7:55 AM, Will Evans wrote:

> So that is her argument.

Smart little lady you got there, Sir. Will.

Cheers!

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16 Feb 2009 - 8:48am
Jostein Magnussen
2005

Thank you for your engagement and many serious and sometimes humorous
points. OK, here we try to answer some of the questions:

IS THIS GENIUS DESIGN?
We know that a good and realistic prototype of a system with all the
background research etc. can't be done in two days. Therefore we
will provide a framework with a specific conflict with context, User
research with Personas etc. We will also provide you contact with
real users and experts in the domain. Still, it is a hard task to
make a successfull system in 2 days, but you are among the best in
the world aren't you?

THIS IS NAIVE. REALISM PLEASE!
A Facebook for peace? An online game to get Palestinians and the
Israeli to become friends? To be honest, we really don't know if
it's possible, but at least we turned the question around: could
this work? We don't think we can make something that actually stops
an ongoing war. But, can we make the reconciliation process easier
and make it less probable that a new conflict will escalate?

WHY WEB?
The web is a perfect medium for communicating across borders. People
in a conflict area would probably not like to meet face to face, but
could they interact through the web? The costs of a web solution
could be quite low compared to the possible importance of the
outcome.

CONFERENCE OR COMPETITION?
It is both. We have B.J Fogg, Jesse James Garrett, Todd Zaki Warfel
and others giving inspirational talks and guiding you during the
making of the prototype. The participants will learn a lot from how
the other groups solved the task and the results they came forward
with. The competition is to make people extra motivated. ALL the
solutions will we published afterwards and discussed so every team
will have their chance to show off their work.

WHY THE LOCATION?
We believe that something completely different from the normal
conference location could inspire people to think out of the box.

PRICING:
Many conferences in the US cost 2000 and upwards. F.ex User interface
13, UXweek etc. At Arctic UX Challenge, dinners and one event is
included. The cost of transport will of course be higher than from
San Fran to New York, but think about the rest of the world that
always have to go to your country to attend conferences ;) Hotel is
actually cheaper than most US conference-hotels.
We think it is a real pity if great UX Professional can't afford to
join us. What about trying to get your team sponsored by one or more
companies? We expect a lot of media-buzz on this event, and it will
be a unique chance for the sponsoring companies to get their names
connected to world-wide-peace, as all the teams and their solutions
will be published.

IxD VS IA AND OTHER EXTINCT CONFLICTS
We are done with this, aren't we?

POLAR BEARS
We won't harm any polar bears, and we are not going to let them harm
you either :)

ARE WE INSANE?
The last time we looked at a Rorschach inkblot we saw 200 people
having the time of their life at the Island of Spitsbergen. They felt
they made a difference, they learned a lot AND they had a great time.

Best regards,
For The UX Challenge team
Jostein

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2 Mar 2009 - 5:26pm
Turi McKinley
2009

The transportation isn't what seems so insane - it's the conference
fee. In the current economic climate most companies can't put in
$20k to send a team, and most individuals probably have stiff
questions about how that $5k would fit in their personal budgets.

If the conference fee were more like $500, it'd be much more
approachable an event.

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2 Mar 2009 - 5:26pm
Turi McKinley
2009

The transportation isn't what seems so insane - it's the conference
fee. In the current economic climate most companies can't put in
$20k to send a team, and most individuals probably have stiff
questions about how that $5k would fit in their personal budgets.

If the conference fee were more like $500, it'd be much more
approachable an event.

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