Vive l'ergonomie?

14 Oct 2008 - 2:41pm
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Billie Mandel
2005

Hey folks -

I guess today's my day to open my trap on IxDA, which I haven't done in ages (*waving hello to everyone*)

So, question of the day: what can you guys tell me about the state of our field in France?

Back story: In my years in this community and on this list, I've met designers from many other countries, but never from France. And now I've got a new job building a design organization in a largely French software company. From my as-yet-limited observations, it seems as though there are experts in "ergonomie" - which appears to be synonomous with usability - and then there are are front-end developers. The actual design of the product seems to be either a collaboration between the two, or something done by the developers based on guidelines produced by the /ergonomie/ folks.

What I'm wondering: Is this observation generally applicable to the practice of UX in France, or does it vary between companies or sub-sectors (software vs web, mobile vs desktop)?

Any insight you can provide will be greatly appreciated.

Cheers,
- Billie

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Purple Labs S.A.

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15 Oct 2008 - 6:08am
milan
2005

hi billie,

in france ergonomie is still the leading practice, coming from classic
ergonimics and having emerged to cover the usability dimension in
interactive systems of all kinds (web, hardware, software ...)

but there is an increasing awareness of the difference between usability
and ixd/ux in general - these links should give you a good starting point
to follow the discussion (depending on your french skills :)

http://www.designersinteractifs.com
http://www.netvibes.com/ergoihm#Ergo_IHM

if you would like to discuss this further, don't hesitate to contact me
off-list.

best regards from paris
milan

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On Tue, October 14, 2008 21:41, Billie Mandel wrote:
> Hey folks -
>
>
> I guess today's my day to open my trap on IxDA, which I haven't done in
> ages (*waving hello to everyone*)
>
> So, question of the day: what can you guys tell me about the state of
> our field in France?
>
> Back story: In my years in this community and on this list, I've met
> designers from many other countries, but never from France. And now I've
> got a new job building a design organization in a largely French software
> company. From my as-yet-limited observations, it seems as though there
> are experts in "ergonomie" - which appears to be synonomous with
> usability - and then there are are front-end developers. The actual
> design of the product seems to be either a collaboration between the two,
> or something done by the developers based on guidelines produced by the
> /ergonomie/ folks.
>
>
> What I'm wondering: Is this observation generally applicable to the
> practice of UX in France, or does it vary between companies or
> sub-sectors (software vs web, mobile vs desktop)?
>
> Any insight you can provide will be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> Cheers,
> - Billie
>
>
>
> *********
> Billie Mandel
> Director, User Experience
> Purple Labs S.A.
>
>
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15 Oct 2008 - 10:33pm
Cwodtke
2004

I've met some folks who are working in France as web designers and they are
tremendously skilled and insightful. France tends a bit insular, as ever, so
we don't hear so much from them... sill, I bet some folk francaise are on
this list. Speaking of, I'm traveling through France to Italy last couple
weeks of October, if friends over there woudl like to grab a cafe or a
pastis....

15 Oct 2008 - 2:33pm
Regis Bectarte
2008

Hello Billie,

After having worked in the USA as a Human Factors Engineer between
1996 and 2000, I returned to my native France to discover how far
behind my country stood in my domain of expertise.
The few folks I found who advertised Usability and qualitative
research services all told me most of their business gravitated around
traditional marketing studies of user's needs and that the results
were fed directly to engineers without the involvement of UI design
folks.

On a positive note, the University of Nice Sofia-Antipolis opened a
few ago a UI curiculum, so to Milan's point things are improving,
albeit very slowly.

Cheers,

Regis Bectarte

Wednesday, October 15, 2008, 4:08:33 AM, you wrote:

> hi billie,

> in france ergonomie is still the leading practice, coming from classic
> ergonimics and having emerged to cover the usability dimension in
> interactive systems of all kinds (web, hardware, software ...)

> but there is an increasing awareness of the difference between usability
> and ixd/ux in general - these links should give you a good starting point
> to follow the discussion (depending on your french skills :)

> http://www.designersinteractifs.com
> http://www.netvibes.com/ergoihm#Ergo_IHM

> if you would like to discuss this further, don't hesitate to contact me
> off-list.

> best regards from paris
> milan

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> milan guenther * interaction design
> p +49 173 2856689 * www.guenther.cx

> On Tue, October 14, 2008 21:41, Billie Mandel wrote:
>> Hey folks -
>>
>>
>> I guess today's my day to open my trap on IxDA, which I haven't done in
>> ages (*waving hello to everyone*)
>>
>> So, question of the day: what can you guys tell me about the state of
>> our field in France?
>>
>> Back story: In my years in this community and on this list, I've met
>> designers from many other countries, but never from France. And now I've
>> got a new job building a design organization in a largely French software
>> company. From my as-yet-limited observations, it seems as though there
>> are experts in "ergonomie" - which appears to be synonomous with
>> usability - and then there are are front-end developers. The actual
>> design of the product seems to be either a collaboration between the two,
>> or something done by the developers based on guidelines produced by the
>> /ergonomie/ folks.
>>
>>
>> What I'm wondering: Is this observation generally applicable to the
>> practice of UX in France, or does it vary between companies or
>> sub-sectors (software vs web, mobile vs desktop)?
>>
>> Any insight you can provide will be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> - Billie
>>
>>
>>
>> *********
>> Billie Mandel
>> Director, User Experience
>> Purple Labs S.A.
>>
>>
>> This message, including attachments, is intended solely for the addressee
>> indicated in this message and is strictly confidential or otherwise
>> Privileged. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for
>> delivery of the message to such person) : - (1) please immediately (i)
>> notify the sender by reply email and (ii) delete this message and
>> attachments, - (2) any use, copy or dissemination of this transmission is
>> strictly prohibited. If you or your employer does not consent to Internet
>> email messages of this kind, please advise Purple Labs by reply e-mail
>> immediately. Opinions, conclusions and other information expressed in
>> this message are not given or endorsed by Purple Labs unless otherwise
>> indicated by an authorized representative independent of this message.
>> ________________________________________________________________
>> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
>> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
>> Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe
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>>

23 Oct 2008 - 3:39pm
Alban Hermet
2008

Hi Billie,

I can testify that there ARE Ix Designers in France. Actually,the
company I work in (www.intuilab.com) is specialized in Ix Design and
regroups skilled people like Iteraction Designers, Visual Designers,
Usability Engineers (or Ergonomes), Developpers ...

"L'ergonomie" is a part of the required skills to design good
products. It brings its own techniques (evaluation, user needs
analysis... ) just like the other disciplines involved in the
creation process.

Alban

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4 Nov 2008 - 8:00am
Barbara Ballard
2005

On Tue, Oct 14, 2008 at 1:41 PM, Billie Mandel
<billie.mandel at purplelabs.com> wrote:

> So, question of the day: what can you guys tell me about the state of our field in France?
>

When you first asked the question, I could not remember the proper
search term to retrieve this information. But now ... interaction
design group in France: http://www.designersinteractifs.org/

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Barbara Ballard
barbara at littlespringsdesign.com 1-785-838-3003

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