Intensive "summer" education options?

16 Jul 2008 - 11:09am
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Dave Malouf
2005

Hey there,

I am curious ...
* If I had a seasonally appealing destination
* Great isntructors
* Great courses relevant to your total education as a designer
* at a reasonable but profit generating price

Would a junior or mid-level designer be willing or better wanting to
dive into an intensive Interaction Design Studio/Seminar?

I'm thinking 2 weeks is the magic number (Yes, I know family folks
won't probably do this as they have well families; but heck, bring
them a long!) where people can take an educational vacation with the
goal if being immersed in studio foundations for interaction design.

* A few thoughts. didn't Harvard and AIGA do something like this a few
summers in a row now? I forget the details.
* I think a single topic with a deep dive might provide decent results
in about 2 weeks, but that the standard 1 week UX con (AP, NN/G or
UIE) while EXCELLENT programs are not the same type of experience.
They just lack depth (even Togs 3-day IxD course) b/c they lack a
studio environment.

Anyway, Allison's response about not being in NY struck a chord in me.
I also can't believe that no other design school has or couldn't build
for themselves a similar program as the one that Pratt has.

-- dave

[Disclaimer: I put summer in quotes as I do realize our planet is on
an axis and that we usually define summer as the solstice time for
when the sun is directly aimed at the nearer Tropic line. Also, b/c
I'm not sure if summer is really the optimal time for such.]

--
David Malouf
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http://ixda.org/
http://motorola.com/

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16 Jul 2008 - 11:17am
david.shaw6@gma...
2004

Dave -

That sounds like a great idea! What also might be nice is to offer a series
of different studios/seminars for junior/mid/sr people. That way us
"oldies" can have continuing education too.

David

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:09 AM, David Malouf <dave.ixd at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey there,
>
> I am curious ...
> * If I had a seasonally appealing destination
> * Great isntructors
> * Great courses relevant to your total education as a designer
> * at a reasonable but profit generating price
>
> Would a junior or mid-level designer be willing or better wanting to
> dive into an intensive Interaction Design Studio/Seminar?
>
> I'm thinking 2 weeks is the magic number (Yes, I know family folks
> won't probably do this as they have well families; but heck, bring
> them a long!) where people can take an educational vacation with the
> goal if being immersed in studio foundations for interaction design.
>
> * A few thoughts. didn't Harvard and AIGA do something like this a few
> summers in a row now? I forget the details.
> * I think a single topic with a deep dive might provide decent results
> in about 2 weeks, but that the standard 1 week UX con (AP, NN/G or
> UIE) while EXCELLENT programs are not the same type of experience.
> They just lack depth (even Togs 3-day IxD course) b/c they lack a
> studio environment.
>
> Anyway, Allison's response about not being in NY struck a chord in me.
> I also can't believe that no other design school has or couldn't build
> for themselves a similar program as the one that Pratt has.
>
> -- dave
>
>
> [Disclaimer: I put summer in quotes as I do realize our planet is on
> an axis and that we usually define summer as the solstice time for
> when the sun is directly aimed at the nearer Tropic line. Also, b/c
> I'm not sure if summer is really the optimal time for such.]
>
> --
> David Malouf
> http://synapticburn.com/
> http://ixda.org/
> http://motorola.com/
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16 Jul 2008 - 11:25am
Matt Nish-Lapidus
2007

Hey Dave,

I would be absolutely interested in this.. I had considered some of
the existing intensive programs, like Cooper U, but none seemed quite
what I was looking for.

Matt.

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:09 PM, David Malouf <dave.ixd at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey there,
>
> I am curious ...
> * If I had a seasonally appealing destination
> * Great isntructors
> * Great courses relevant to your total education as a designer
> * at a reasonable but profit generating price
>
> Would a junior or mid-level designer be willing or better wanting to
> dive into an intensive Interaction Design Studio/Seminar?
>
> I'm thinking 2 weeks is the magic number (Yes, I know family folks
> won't probably do this as they have well families; but heck, bring
> them a long!) where people can take an educational vacation with the
> goal if being immersed in studio foundations for interaction design.
>
> * A few thoughts. didn't Harvard and AIGA do something like this a few
> summers in a row now? I forget the details.
> * I think a single topic with a deep dive might provide decent results
> in about 2 weeks, but that the standard 1 week UX con (AP, NN/G or
> UIE) while EXCELLENT programs are not the same type of experience.
> They just lack depth (even Togs 3-day IxD course) b/c they lack a
> studio environment.
>
> Anyway, Allison's response about not being in NY struck a chord in me.
> I also can't believe that no other design school has or couldn't build
> for themselves a similar program as the one that Pratt has.
>
> -- dave
>
>
> [Disclaimer: I put summer in quotes as I do realize our planet is on
> an axis and that we usually define summer as the solstice time for
> when the sun is directly aimed at the nearer Tropic line. Also, b/c
> I'm not sure if summer is really the optimal time for such.]
>
> --
> David Malouf
> http://synapticburn.com/
> http://ixda.org/
> http://motorola.com/
> ________________________________________________________________
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16 Jul 2008 - 11:35am
White, Jeff
2007

I love this idea. I would want to feel really confident that it's not just a
beginners course though.

Do you have a rough guess as to what the cost might be?

Jeff

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Matthew Nish-Lapidus <mattnl at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Dave,
>
> I would be absolutely interested in this.. I had considered some of
> the existing intensive programs, like Cooper U, but none seemed quite
> what I was looking for.
>
> Matt.
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:09 PM, David Malouf <dave.ixd at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hey there,
> >
> > I am curious ...
> > * If I had a seasonally appealing destination
> > * Great isntructors
> > * Great courses relevant to your total education as a designer
> > * at a reasonable but profit generating price
> >
> > Would a junior or mid-level designer be willing or better wanting to
> > dive into an intensive Interaction Design Studio/Seminar?
> >
> > I'm thinking 2 weeks is the magic number (Yes, I know family folks
> > won't probably do this as they have well families; but heck, bring
> > them a long!) where people can take an educational vacation with the
> > goal if being immersed in studio foundations for interaction design.
> >
> > * A few thoughts. didn't Harvard and AIGA do something like this a few
> > summers in a row now? I forget the details.
> > * I think a single topic with a deep dive might provide decent results
> > in about 2 weeks, but that the standard 1 week UX con (AP, NN/G or
> > UIE) while EXCELLENT programs are not the same type of experience.
> > They just lack depth (even Togs 3-day IxD course) b/c they lack a
> > studio environment.
> >
> > Anyway, Allison's response about not being in NY struck a chord in me.
> > I also can't believe that no other design school has or couldn't build
> > for themselves a similar program as the one that Pratt has.
> >
> > -- dave
> >
> >
> > [Disclaimer: I put summer in quotes as I do realize our planet is on
> > an axis and that we usually define summer as the solstice time for
> > when the sun is directly aimed at the nearer Tropic line. Also, b/c
> > I'm not sure if summer is really the optimal time for such.]
> >
> > --
> > David Malouf
> > http://synapticburn.com/
> > http://ixda.org/
> > http://motorola.com/
> > ________________________________________________________________
> > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
> > Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe
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>
>
>
> --
> Matt Nish-Lapidus
> work: matt at bibliocommons.com / www.bibliocommons.com
> --
> personal: mattnl at gmail.com
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16 Jul 2008 - 11:49am
shaswath.v
2008

Hi am very new to interation design.I just have a basic knowlege on what the course is all about. Can anyone explain me about the interaction design and career opportunities.? What are the challenges and importance of interaction design?

16 Jul 2008 - 11:43am
Dave Malouf
2005

Jeff (and gang),

I just thought of it 15min. ago, so I have no clue about cost,
faculty, exact syllabus, etc.

Great thoughts coming in.

Someone offlist brought up the concern that some employers might find
this to sound too much like a boondoggle. Would it be better if we
removed the "attractive location" part of it. I mean let's just put it
in Tulsa or Central Jersey or something like that? ... ;-) (sorry to
those find people of Tulsa and Central Jersey; I know of many other
unattractive/unexciting places also: Heck: Bakersfield comes to mind
... how about there?).

-- dave

On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Jeff White <jwhite31 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I love this idea. I would want to feel really confident that it's not just a
> beginners course though.
>
> Do you have a rough guess as to what the cost might be?
>
> Jeff
>
> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Matthew Nish-Lapidus <mattnl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>>
>> Hey Dave,
>>
>> I would be absolutely interested in this.. I had considered some of
>> the existing intensive programs, like Cooper U, but none seemed quite
>> what I was looking for.
>>
>> Matt.
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:09 PM, David Malouf <dave.ixd at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hey there,
>> >
>> > I am curious ...
>> > * If I had a seasonally appealing destination
>> > * Great isntructors
>> > * Great courses relevant to your total education as a designer
>> > * at a reasonable but profit generating price
>> >
>> > Would a junior or mid-level designer be willing or better wanting to
>> > dive into an intensive Interaction Design Studio/Seminar?
>> >
>> > I'm thinking 2 weeks is the magic number (Yes, I know family folks
>> > won't probably do this as they have well families; but heck, bring
>> > them a long!) where people can take an educational vacation with the
>> > goal if being immersed in studio foundations for interaction design.
>> >
>> > * A few thoughts. didn't Harvard and AIGA do something like this a few
>> > summers in a row now? I forget the details.
>> > * I think a single topic with a deep dive might provide decent results
>> > in about 2 weeks, but that the standard 1 week UX con (AP, NN/G or
>> > UIE) while EXCELLENT programs are not the same type of experience.
>> > They just lack depth (even Togs 3-day IxD course) b/c they lack a
>> > studio environment.
>> >
>> > Anyway, Allison's response about not being in NY struck a chord in me.
>> > I also can't believe that no other design school has or couldn't build
>> > for themselves a similar program as the one that Pratt has.
>> >
>> > -- dave
>> >
>> >
>> > [Disclaimer: I put summer in quotes as I do realize our planet is on
>> > an axis and that we usually define summer as the solstice time for
>> > when the sun is directly aimed at the nearer Tropic line. Also, b/c
>> > I'm not sure if summer is really the optimal time for such.]
>> >
>> > --
>> > David Malouf
>> > http://synapticburn.com/
>> > http://ixda.org/
>> > http://motorola.com/
>> > ________________________________________________________________
>> > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
>> > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
>> > Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe
>> > List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines
>> > List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Matt Nish-Lapidus
>> work: matt at bibliocommons.com / www.bibliocommons.com
>> --
>> personal: mattnl at gmail.com
>> ________________________________________________________________
>> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
>> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
>> Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe
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>
>

--
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http://synapticburn.com/
http://ixda.org/
http://motorola.com/

16 Jul 2008 - 12:42pm
Dave Malouf
2005

Shaswath, I don't want to derail this thread, so I think the best
thing for you to do is start by reading up a bit. While there are
many books about IxD, I think the best primer out there is Dan
Saffer's "Designing for Interaction". It is short sweet with a
great balance between practice and theory.

-- dave

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16 Jul 2008 - 12:56pm
Dave Malouf
2005

Ok, a few ideas based off what I'm hearing:
1. it sounds like 2 wks is probably too long for the corporate crowd
due to vacation limitations &/or budget time out of the office
constraints.

2. People will be concerned with total cost of attendance for sure.

3. overall people like the idea and would want to see something
happen

4. one person would like "accreditation" &/or "limited
enrollment" be a way of adding value to the perception of the
course.

Question: someone brought up "hotel" costs. I'm wondering if
people of our professional level would consider doing the "dorm"
thing vs. the hotel thing? Private rooms of course (if requested),
but this could be a way for an educational institution to offer
resourses towards lowering costs as well as them to capitalize on
otherwise under-used facilities during summer months.

Someone asked how to have something valuable to both jr and senior
folks (and everything in between). That's an interesting question
indeed. Don't have an answer for that one yet.

thoughts?

-- dave

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16 Jul 2008 - 2:35pm
Michele Marut
2005

Dave,
This is a cool idea. The University of Michigan has run a two- week
summer Human factors course for quite a while now - you could
probably contact them and learn what worked and what didn't
http://cpd.engin.umich.edu/proed.htm?id=57

Michele

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16 Jul 2008 - 12:13pm
sabrina klein
2008

As someone who is just beginning my search for these type of education programs, the idea sounds interesting, but I'm curious who your "target" would be for a 2-week course.

My current role as a Usability Analyst would likely not allow for 2 weeks of "down-time". I am passionate about my work, but I also need a break so that I can continue to be passionate my work. 2 weeks would eat up all of my vacation time for a year. Yikes! Not to mention the expense of not only the course, but hotel and possibly vehicle rentals, etc.
I think perhaps if the target is for consultants or those not in a full-time job, this would be an option. If it's a continuing education course, employers may cover the cost, but can they afford for their employees to be away for that amt. of time?

Not to be Debbie Downer, it's an interesting concept, but I think these might be reasons taht more programs like this don't exist.

Sabrina Klein
Usability Analyst
Seattle, WA

> Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:43:11 -0400> From: dave.ixd at gmail.com> To: jwhite31 at gmail.com> CC: discuss at ixda.org> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Intensive "summer" education options?> > Jeff (and gang),> > I just thought of it 15min. ago, so I have no clue about cost,> faculty, exact syllabus, etc.> > Great thoughts coming in.> > Someone offlist brought up the concern that some employers might find> this to sound too much like a boondoggle. Would it be better if we> removed the "attractive location" part of it. I mean let's just put it> in Tulsa or Central Jersey or something like that? ... ;-) (sorry to> those find people of Tulsa and Central Jersey; I know of many other> unattractive/unexciting places also: Heck: Bakersfield comes to mind> ... how about there?).> > -- dave> > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:35 PM, Jeff White <jwhite31 at gmail.com> wrote:> > I love this idea. I would want to feel really confident that it's not just a> > beginners course though.> >> > Do you have a rough guess as to what the cost might be?> >> > Jeff> >> > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 9:25 AM, Matthew Nish-Lapidus <mattnl at gmail.com>> > wrote:> >>> >> Hey Dave,> >>> >> I would be absolutely interested in this.. I had considered some of> >> the existing intensive programs, like Cooper U, but none seemed quite> >> what I was looking for.> >>> >> Matt.> >>> >> On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 12:09 PM, David Malouf <dave.ixd at gmail.com> wrote:> >> > Hey there,> >> >> >> > I am curious ...> >> > * If I had a seasonally appealing destination> >> > * Great isntructors> >> > * Great courses relevant to your total education as a designer> >> > * at a reasonable but profit generating price> >> >> >> > Would a junior or mid-level designer be willing or better wanting to> >> > dive into an intensive Interaction Design Studio/Seminar?> >> >> >> > I'm thinking 2 weeks is the magic number (Yes, I know family folks> >> > won't probably do this as they have well families; but heck, bring> >> > them a long!) where people can take an educational vacation with the> >> > goal if being immersed in studio foundations for interaction design.> >> >> >> > * A few thoughts. didn't Harvard and AIGA do something like this a few> >> > summers in a row now? I forget the details.> >> > * I think a single topic with a deep dive might provide decent results> >> > in about 2 weeks, but that the standard 1 week UX con (AP, NN/G or> >> > UIE) while EXCELLENT programs are not the same type of experience.> >> > They just lack depth (even Togs 3-day IxD course) b/c they lack a> >> > studio environment.> >> >> >> > Anyway, Allison's response about not being in NY struck a chord in me.> >> > I also can't believe that no other design school has or couldn't build> >> > for themselves a similar program as the one that Pratt has.> >> >> >> > -- dave> >> >> >> >> >> > [Disclaimer: I put summer in quotes as I do realize our planet is on> >> > an axis and that we usually define summer as the solstice time for> >> > when the sun is directly aimed at the nearer Tropic line. Also, b/c> >> > I'm not sure if summer is really the optimal time for such.]> >> >> >> > --> >> > David Malouf> >> > http://synapticburn.com/> >> > http://ixda.org/> >> > http://motorola.com/> >> > ________________________________________________________________> >> > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!> >> > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org> >> > Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe> >> > List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines> >> > List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help> >> >> >>> >>> >>> >> --> >> Matt Nish-Lapidus> >> work: matt at bibliocommons.com / www.bibliocommons.com> >> --> >> personal: mattnl at gmail.com> >> ________________________________________________________________> >> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!> >> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org> >> Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe> >> List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines> >> List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help> >> >> > > > -- > David Malouf> http://synapticburn.com/> http://ixda.org/> http://motorola.com/> ________________________________________________________________> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org> Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe> List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines> List Help .................. http://www.ixda.org/help
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16 Jul 2008 - 1:45pm
Mario Bourque
2008

I believe that there is value in these workshops. We already have the yearly
conference and a number of local groups have begun monthly meetups. A summer
program would be a good option for some. I think there is tremendous value
in being able to sit in a room with your peers and hammer out ideas, which I
feel is of much more value than accreditation.

There are all sorts of camps sponsored by schools. If you do it in the
summer, you can cut costs by using group accommodations at a dorm, and there
are usually meal options open in their dining halls.

It's great that we're talking about these things -- we're definitely
building momentum.

It would be more difficult for some of us "senior folks" to invest in a 2
week UX camp due to things getting in the way like deadlines and family;
however, there are those of us that could go teach/demo for a few days
during the camp.

I've been floating the idea of senior level workshops to some and there is
interest. This would be more of a weekend thing, or perhaps an add-on to
Interaction|09 conference. I think this is where regional workshops could
work. There are already so many shows to go to (Interaction, IA Summit,
SXSW, IDEA, UPA, etc.), and a lot of us don't have unlimited pocketbooks.

Anything is possible though, you just have to make it inviting. I'm quite
positive that it would be successful.

Great idea.

Mario

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