new MFA in Interaction Design Announced by SVA

12 Jun 2008 - 12:50pm
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Dave Malouf
2005

Check it out.
NYC is on the map of future potential Interaction conferences now. ;-)

http://bobulate.com/2008/06/12/announcing-new-mfa-in-interaction-design/

-- dave

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12 Jun 2008 - 3:44pm
mtumi
2004

Because I'm sure I won't be the only one wondering this:

That's right.
Best,
Michael

Michael Tuminello wrote:
> Hi -
>
> One question - is it fulltime only?
>
> thanks -
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>

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On Jun 12, 2008, at 1:50 PM, David Malouf wrote:

> Check it out.
> NYC is on the map of future potential Interaction conferences now. ;-)
>
> http://bobulate.com/2008/06/12/announcing-new-mfa-in-interaction-design/
>
> -- dave
>
>

12 Jun 2008 - 9:41pm
Wendy Fischer
2004

I'd love to see a reputable university come up with a killer online MFA or MS degree in interaction design, preferably something like Carnegie Mellon, NYU or Stanford and something that's part time. There's other programs online for computer engineering---why not interaction design?

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Because I'm sure I won't be the only one wondering this:

That's right.
Best,
Michael

Michael Tuminello wrote:
> Hi -
>
> One question - is it fulltime only?
>
> thanks -
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>

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Michael Grant
Assistant Director of Communication
School of Visual Arts
209 East 23 Street
New York, NY 10010-3994
Tel: 212.592.2011
Fax: 212.592.2012
www.sva.edu

On Jun 12, 2008, at 1:50 PM, David Malouf wrote:

> Check it out.
> NYC is on the map of future potential Interaction conferences now. ;-)
>
> http://bobulate.com/2008/06/12/announcing-new-mfa-in-interaction-design/
>
> -- dave
>
>
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12 Jun 2008 - 9:56pm
Jack L. Moffett
2005

On Jun 12, 2008, at 10:41 PM, erpdesigner wrote:

> I'd love to see a reputable university come up with a killer online
> MFA or MS degree in interaction design, preferably something like
> Carnegie Mellon, NYU or Stanford and something that's part time.
> There's other programs online for computer engineering---why not
> interaction design?

I realize the convenience that would afford. However, I don't believe
a good design program could be done as a solely online course. It's
been debated on the list in the past, but the studio experience is an
important part of design education. An online course would also
curtail the ability to do group projects, which I feel are necessary.

An online program would be fine for getting a degree, but not for
getting the experience that degree should represent.

Jack

Jack L. Moffett
Interaction Designer
inmedius
412.459.0310 x219
http://www.inmedius.com

If I'd have asked my customers what they wanted,
they would have told me "A faster horse."
- Henry Ford

13 Jun 2008 - 10:47am
paigesaez
2007

I could not find an MFA program in Interaction Design in my area (Portland,
Oregon) so I modified an existing program to suit my needs( PNCA MFA in
Visual Studies).

I enrolled in an open-framework, forward thinking school that gave me the
freedom I needed to pursue my interests. It has been very hard and very
rewarding. When I began the school year, (i just finished my first) I had to
explain to everyone what it was I was studying and why and how it affected
everyone. It took a while, but not THAT long.

I still have to spend a lot of time evangelizing but that has taught me how
to talk to people about Interaction Design. And yes, of course there are
gaps in my education. But I am constantly working on projects and getting
feedback from my community so my skill set is improving dramatically.

I searched the local IxDA, Dorkbot, CHIFOO, ACM community for a mentor and
found someone whom I adore and will be friends with for life, and the school
arranged for this person to be paid to meet and teach me. The coursework we
set out for my first year was extensive and at the end of the year I wrote
up an entire project based course from the document. Now I can modify that
into a syllabus to help teach other students - like me - that are just
entering the field.

Now that I have taken the first steps to teaching my school about what needs
to be taught they are ecstatic about the future of the field and eager to
get a formalized program in place and recruit more students like me to come
to the school.

I am still trying to grow a professional community in Portland, Oregon and I
think it will be a while still before something formalizes with the school
around an actual IxD program- maybe a couple of years? Shorter if more
people help push and help teach to be honest. They are willing to pay and
willing to provide space....

My point here is that this can be approached from many directions and that
many progressive schools are eager to teach what students WANT to learn they
just often don't know WHAT that is. We can help them by pushing them in
certain directions-now PNCA may not be as wonderful, romantic or established
as Carnegie Mellon (sigh. dreamy.) or SVA but it is 6 blocks from where I
live and it is a fantastic school. By encouraging our local schools,
teaching them what needs to be taught, we de-monopolizes our education needs
and make the education more affordable (time, geography and money).

-paige

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Jack Leon Moffett <jackmoffett at mac.com>
wrote:

>
> On Jun 12, 2008, at 10:41 PM, erpdesigner wrote:
>
> I'd love to see a reputable university come up with a killer online MFA or
>> MS degree in interaction design, preferably something like Carnegie Mellon,
>> NYU or Stanford and something that's part time. There's other programs
>> online for computer engineering---why not interaction design?
>>
>
>
>
> I realize the convenience that would afford. However, I don't believe a
> good design program could be done as a solely online course. It's been
> debated on the list in the past, but the studio experience is an important
> part of design education. An online course would also curtail the ability to
> do group projects, which I feel are necessary.
>
> An online program would be fine for getting a degree, but not for getting
> the experience that degree should represent.
>
> Jack
>
>
> Jack L. Moffett
> Interaction Designer
> inmedius
> 412.459.0310 x219
> http://www.inmedius.com
>
>
> If I'd have asked my customers what they wanted,
> they would have told me "A faster horse."
> - Henry Ford
>
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13 Jun 2008 - 10:59am
Fred Beecher
2006

On 6/12/08, erpdesigner <erpdesigner at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> I'd love to see a reputable university come up with a killer online MFA or
> MS degree in interaction design, preferably something like Carnegie Mellon,
> NYU or Stanford and something that's part time. There's other programs
> online for computer engineering---why not interaction design?

I agree with Jack... 100% online will not cut it for a design degree. But at
least offer part-time or night options! I mean really... a LOT of potential
students are professionals who depend on their jobs to do things like, oh,
support and insure families, pay rent, etc. Once you reach a certain age
you've typically accreted a certain amount of responsibility and you can't
just disregard that to go to school.

California College of the Arts has a Design Strategy MBA that they work in
an interesting way...

"To offer maximum flexibility to working professionals, the program is
conducted through five once-a-month, four-day weekends of instruction and
interaction, with online and network study between these residencies. This
schedule allows participants from all over the United States to maintain
their careers while keeping in close contact with team members, faculty, and
program staff." http://www.cca.edu/academics/graduate/designmba/

So while that still can be tough from a time/cost perspective, it's at least
possible. Simply shutting out working professionals seems like a poor
decision to me.

F.

13 Jun 2008 - 12:47pm
Jack L. Moffett
2005

On Jun 13, 2008, at 11:47 AM, paige saez wrote:

> Now that I have taken the first steps to teaching my school about
> what needs to be taught they are ecstatic about the future of the
> field and eager to get a formalized program in place and recruit
> more students like me to come to the school.

That's quite an inspirational story, Paige. Nice work!

On Jun 13, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Fred Beecher wrote:

> "To offer maximum flexibility to working professionals, the program is
> conducted through five once-a-month, four-day weekends of
> instruction and
> interaction, with online and network study between these residencies.

Now that is interesting. It definitely wouldn't be easy, but I could
see it working. I don't suppose there are any list members that have
been through this program?

Jack

Jack L. Moffett
Interaction Designer
inmedius
412.459.0310 x219
http://www.inmedius.com

Questions about whether design
is necessary or affordable
are quite beside the point:
design is inevitable.

The alternative to good design
is bad design, not no design at all.

- Douglas Martin

13 Jun 2008 - 7:19pm
Dan Saffer
2003

On Jun 13, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Jack Leon Moffett wrote:

>
> On Jun 13, 2008, at 11:59 AM, Fred Beecher wrote:
>
>> "To offer maximum flexibility to working professionals, the program
>> is
>> conducted through five once-a-month, four-day weekends of
>> instruction and
>> interaction, with online and network study between these residencies.
>
>
> Now that is interesting. It definitely wouldn't be easy, but I could
> see it working. I don't suppose there are any list members that have
> been through this program?

Program doesn't begin until September.

Dan

13 Jun 2008 - 7:42pm
Jack L. Moffett
2005

On Jun 13, 2008, at 8:19 PM, Dan Saffer wrote:

>
> On Jun 13, 2008, at 10:47 AM, Jack Leon Moffett wrote:
>
>> Now that is interesting. It definitely wouldn't be easy, but I
>> could see it working. I don't suppose there are any list members
>> that have been through this program?
>
> Program doesn't begin until September.

Heh. Any volunteers? ;)

Jack

Jack L. Moffett
Interaction Designer
inmedius
412.459.0310 x219
http://www.inmedius.com

In our society,
the scarce factor is not information,
it is time to attend to information.

- Herb Simon

14 Jun 2008 - 7:16am
Dave Malouf
2005

What's interesting is that they are still working on the curriculum
and will be adding to the faculty. But I think they are here and it
would be interesting for us to maybe take this opportunity to start
suggesting a list of courses that fit into a two year program that
makes the most sense, keeping in mind that it is an MFA (Fine Arts)
and not just a Masters of Interaction Design.

It would also be interesting to suggest what candidate students
should have as prereqs for applying.

-- dave

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19 Jun 2008 - 1:52am
Al Di
2008

Hi PPl.. It's me again..

I would like to have your help one more time...

1) " Is there any short course which you would like to offer to MA
of Industrial Design before applying for MA of Interaction? "

2) What Qualifications should an interaction designer has?

p.s : " I forgot how to post a new topic so I just put it here...
sorry"

Ali

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20 Jun 2008 - 5:20pm
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

>
> http://bobulate.com/2008/06/12/announcing-new-mfa-in-interaction-design/

I'm interested in how Zeldman fits into a MFA on interaction design. Is
learning web standards part of the curriculum? If so, should it be? (Maybe
so, it just stuck me as odd, so I thought I'd toss it out there.)

Also, I like Liz, Jeffrey, and Jason a lot—they're all great, and amply
qualified to teach Masters programs—but the faculty is a little heavy on the
HappyCog, no? Couldn't this lead to a biased education?

-r-

20 Jun 2008 - 5:48pm
SemanticWill
2007

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 6:20 PM, Robert Hoekman Jr <robert at rhjr.net> wrote:

> >
> > http://bobulate.com/2008/06/12/announcing-new-mfa-in-interaction-design/
>
>
> I'm interested in how Zeldman fits into a MFA on interaction design. Is
> learning web standards part of the curriculum? If so, should it be? (Maybe
> so, it just stuck me as odd, so I thought I'd toss it out there.)
>

We'll have to see the curriculum. If the faculty is made up of mostly
designers and tactical practitioners, and there is little to no Cog Sci or
HCI, then I would argue that it is less MFA in Interaction Design, and more
MFA in Interactive/Interface Design.

> Also, I like Liz, Jeffrey, and Jason a lot—they're all great, and amply
> qualified to teach Masters programs—but the faculty is a little heavy on
> the
> HappyCog, no? Couldn't this lead to a biased education?
>

Perhaps you know more than I -- but I was struck by what was missing after
going to every one of the listed faculty member's sites. Do any of these
folks even have masters degrees? Not one of them lists their education on
their personal or professional sites. Ironic for faculty of a masters
program, no?

Which brings us back to the discussion on the importance of a masters degree
- do you need one if you are already a famous web designer?

~ will

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and what you innovate are design problems"

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20 Jun 2008 - 5:54pm
Andrei Herasimchuk
2004

On Jun 20, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Will Evans wrote:

> We'll have to see the curriculum. If the faculty is made up of mostly
> designers and tactical practitioners, and there is little to no Cog
> Sci or
> HCI, then I would argue that it is less MFA in Interaction Design,
> and more
> MFA in Interactive/Interface Design.

Interface design is not and never was interactive design any more than
interaction design was information architecture.

--
Andrei Herasimchuk

Principal, Involution Studios
innovating the digital world

e. andrei at involutionstudios.com
c. +1 408 306 6422

20 Jun 2008 - 6:06pm
SemanticWill
2007

I was neither arguing that interface design was interactive design, nor
arguing that interaction design was information architecture.

You must have misunderstood me.

On Fri, Jun 20, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Andrei Herasimchuk <
andrei at involutionstudios.com> wrote:

>
> On Jun 20, 2008, at 3:48 PM, Will Evans wrote:
>
> We'll have to see the curriculum. If the faculty is made up of mostly
>> designers and tactical practitioners, and there is little to no Cog Sci or
>> HCI, then I would argue that it is less MFA in Interaction Design, and
>> more
>> MFA in Interactive/Interface Design.
>>
>
> Interface design is not and never was interactive design any more than
> interaction design was information architecture.
>
> --
> Andrei Herasimchuk
>
> Principal, Involution Studios
> innovating the digital world
>
> e. andrei at involutionstudios.com
> c. +1 408 306 6422
>
>
>

20 Jun 2008 - 6:07pm
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

>
> We'll have to see the curriculum. If the faculty is made up of mostly
>> designers and tactical practitioners, and there is little to no Cog Sci or
>> HCI, then I would argue that it is less MFA in Interaction Design, and
>> more
>> MFA in Interactive/Interface Design.
>>
>
Great point. I don't see anyone on that list with a Psych or HCI background
(that I'm aware of, anyway)—they're all designers and coders.

But hey, less-than-thorough curriculum is not the only problem with school
faculties. I know someone who teaches Flash classes at SVA that wouldn't
qualify for a job as a commercial Flash developer. He can run his own
company and get clients, sure, but he'd never get past the interviews I used
to run. I've also met many AI graduates who walked away with a diploma and
no idea how to use FTP. (Professors with out-of-date knowledge is a very
common problem—though, that's obviously not the case for this new MFA.)

-r-

20 Jun 2008 - 6:13pm
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

>
> Perhaps you know more than I -- but I was struck by what was missing after
> going to every one of the listed faculty member's sites. Do any of these
> folks even have masters degrees? Not one of them lists their education on
> their personal or professional sites. Ironic for faculty of a masters
> program, no?
>

I don't know if any of them have Masters degrees or not, but if they do, I'm
not sure how important it is to advertise that fact on their personal sites.

Which brings us back to the discussion on the importance of a masters degree
> - do you need one if you are already a famous web designer?
>

In a word ... no. ;)

Seriously, though—why should it be a requirement? Why do you have to have a
degree to know how to teach a class that gets someone else a degree? Why
does a degree prove that you know what you're doing more than experience
proves it? As many have noted here, the graduates are often terrible
designers, and the great designers are often sans degree.

-r-

20 Jun 2008 - 6:20pm
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

>
> Also, I like Liz, Jeffrey, and Jason a lot—they're all great, and amply
>> qualified to teach Masters programs—but the faculty is a little heavy on
>> the
>> HappyCog, no? Couldn't this lead to a biased education?
>>
>
> Perhaps you know more than I --
>

HappyCog is Zeldman's design consultancy. Liz and Jason are both HappyCog
consultants. (When HappyCog was hired to do the WordPress redesign, in fact,
Liz worked on it.)

-r-

20 Jun 2008 - 6:21pm
SemanticWill
2007

> Seriously, though—why should it be a requirement? Why do you have to have a
> degree to know how to teach a class that gets someone else a degree?

I think it depends. It depends on the field. It depends on the person's
experience. In an MFA program, probably all that matters is the person is a
great designer and a great teacher.
Would you take a Psych class from someone who doesn't have a degree in
Psych, but has counseled their friends on relationships for years?

> Why
> does a degree prove that you know what you're doing more than experience
> proves it? As many have noted here, the graduates are often terrible
> designers, and the great designers are often sans degree.
>

True that. Again - I am guessing that this is more than just studio classes.
Are they going to cover dynamic visualization of quantitative data? Might
help if the teacher knows a bit about gestalt principles and pre-attentive
processing - and you don't pick that up coding xhtml and designing great
things in Photoshop. Unless I am missing something...

20 Jun 2008 - 6:54pm
Robert Hoekman, Jr.
2005

>
> Would you take a Psych class from someone who doesn't have a degree in
> Psych, but has counseled their friends on relationships for years?
>

Apples and oranges. You can't/shouldn't actually call yourself a
psychologist without a Psych degree. Things get a bit more strict when
you're dealing with people's heads, no?

I'm not sure what a more apt comparison would be, though.

Might help if the teacher knows a bit about gestalt principles and
pre-attentive processing - and you don't pick that up coding xhtml and
designing great things in Photoshop.

I know quite a bit about psychology, and constantly use that knowledge as a
designer. I have a decent enough understanding of pre-attentive processing,
a strong understanding of gestalt and other relevant principles, don't write
code unless I have to (I leave that to the experts), and only use Photoshop
for editing screenshots.

I don't have a Masters degree, and I didn't study Psych or HCI in college—I
studied Philosophy and English. (In fact, the best developer I've ever met
has an Associates in Illustration.) The Psych stuff I learned through
self-education. Same with design.

I never intended to become an interaction designer, but it turned out to be
what I'm best at, and what I love doing. As such, I spend a huge amount of
energy focused on getting better at it. That means studying Psychology,
design, communication, marketing, social psychology ... you name it. So
that's what I do.

I don't have a MFA in anything related to my profession, but I could
certainly teach it.

-r-

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