Open format between Visio and Omnigraffle?

19 May 2008 - 7:44am
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jabbett
2008

After observing the list for a while, it's clear that our community is split
between Visio users on PCs and Omnigraffle users on Macs. Is there a format
common to both Visio and Omnigraffle with which we can publish stencils,
templates, etc. so we don't have to duplicate our efforts? Alternatively,
are there simple converters between the two formats?

-Jonathan

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19 May 2008 - 8:35am
Dan Brown
2004

OmniGraffle 5 beautifully opened a Visio file for me the other day. Saved me
15 minutes of spinning up Parallels and MS Visio. Graffle also saves in
Visio .xml format. Obviously, not a perfect solution, but it does address
some cross-platform headaches.
That said, I've never experimented with moving masters/stencils between
them.

On the other hand, at EightShapes (my company) we wireframe in Adobe
InDesign, which is automatically cross-platform.

-- Dan

On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Jonathan Abbett <jonathan at abbett.org>
wrote:

> After observing the list for a while, it's clear that our community is
> split
> between Visio users on PCs and Omnigraffle users on Macs. Is there a
> format
> common to both Visio and Omnigraffle with which we can publish stencils,
> templates, etc. so we don't have to duplicate our efforts? Alternatively,
> are there simple converters between the two formats?
>
> -Jonathan
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19 May 2008 - 12:02pm
Jeffrey D. Gimzek
2007

I have had mixed results with the .vdx Visio XML standard.

It is functional enough for basic files, but OmniGraffle masters are
lost, so if multiple masters are important to your file, you have to
save those out separate and bring them back in to Visio one by one.

Visio -> OnmiG is of course much easier.

Some people who have made stencils do so for both Onmi and Visio, but
for now that is best you can do

I wouldnt hold my breath waiting for Visio to play nice with other
file formats.

jd

On May 19, 2008, at 7:35 AM, Dan Brown wrote:
> OmniGraffle 5 beautifully opened a Visio file for me the other day.
> Saved me
> 15 minutes of spinning up Parallels and MS Visio. Graffle also saves
> in
> Visio .xml format. Obviously, not a perfect solution, but it does
> address
> some cross-platform headaches.
> That said, I've never experimented with moving masters/stencils
> between
> them.
>
> On the other hand, at EightShapes (my company) we wireframe in Adobe
> InDesign, which is automatically cross-platform.
>
> -- Dan
>
> On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 9:44 AM, Jonathan Abbett <jonathan at abbett.org>
> wrote:
>
>> After observing the list for a while, it's clear that our community
>> is
>> split
>> between Visio users on PCs and Omnigraffle users on Macs. Is there a
>> format
>> common to both Visio and Omnigraffle with which we can publish
>> stencils,
>> templates, etc. so we don't have to duplicate our efforts?
>> Alternatively,
>> are there simple converters between the two formats?
>>
>> -Jonathan
>> ________________________________________________________________
>> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
>> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
>> Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe
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>>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Dan Brown, Principal • (301) 801-4850
> EightShapes, LLC • eightshapes.com
> Also at: communicatingdesign.com • greenonions.com
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19 May 2008 - 12:52pm
Jeff Stevenson
2007

The Pro version of OmniGraffle 5 is supposed to have better Visio
support (though I haven't tried it myself). Apparently, you can now
open normal Visio files (.vsd) instead of just Visio's XML format.
You can also import Visio stencils and templates.

It's on this page, third feature from the top:
http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/pro/

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19 May 2008 - 1:47pm
Anonymous

Talking about Visio. Does anyone know the interaction designer's nail
gun? You can know make prototye with a sketchier look. This is real
nice to play with. Love it!

http://www.guuui.com/issues/02_07.php

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19 May 2008 - 3:02pm
Jeffrey D. Gimzek
2007

On May 19, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Jeff Stevenson wrote:
> The Pro version of OmniGraffle 5 is supposed to have better Visio
> support (though I haven't tried it myself). Apparently, you can now
> open normal Visio files (.vsd) instead of just Visio's XML format.
> You can also import Visio stencils and templates.
>
> It's on this page, third feature from the top:
> http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/pro/

I guess i should have said, i wouldnt hold my breath waiting for /
Microsoft/ to make visio play nice with other formats !

When will there be a PC omni-graffle type program ?

Seems like the time is ripe.

--

Jeff Gimzek | Senior User Experience Designer

jeff at glassdoor.com | www.glassdoor.com

19 May 2008 - 9:12pm
Kontra
2007

> When will there be a PC omni-graffle type program ?

In the $1,000+ market where presumably applications like Vision and
OmniGraffle are used, Apple has a forbiddingly dominant retail share
of 70% in desktops and 64% in notebooks over PCs:

http://is.gd/iUN

So the minority Windows platform may not get premium apps like
OmniGraffle for a while.

--
Kontra
http://counternotions.com

19 May 2008 - 9:11pm
aschechterman
2004

"When will there be a PC omni-graffle type program?" . . .
Have used Visio since 1.0 (pre-MS), to your great question, I'd guess maybe
never. Perhaps what makes most Mac software so valuable to us UX
professionals, software that's actually been designed. Then again, Jeff,
there's a Mac (with Tiger or Leopard) with Parallels or VM Fusion . . . you
can have both Visio and Graffle on the same machine, but thinking you'd
gravitate full-time to the Graffle pretty quickly . . .
Andrew

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On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 3:02 PM, Jeff Gimzek <listserv at jdgimzek.com> wrote:

>
> On May 19, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Jeff Stevenson wrote:
>
>> The Pro version of OmniGraffle 5 is supposed to have better Visio
>> support (though I haven't tried it myself). Apparently, you can now
>> open normal Visio files (.vsd) instead of just Visio's XML format.
>> You can also import Visio stencils and templates.
>>
>> It's on this page, third feature from the top:
>> http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/pro/
>>
>
> I guess i should have said, i wouldnt hold my breath waiting for
> /Microsoft/ to make visio play nice with other formats !
>
> When will there be a PC omni-graffle type program ?
>
> Seems like the time is ripe.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jeff Gimzek | Senior User Experience Designer
>
> jeff at glassdoor.com | www.glassdoor.com
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________
> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
> Unsubscribe ................ http://www.ixda.org/unsubscribe
> List Guidelines ............ http://www.ixda.org/guidelines
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>

19 May 2008 - 11:56pm
Lain
2008

Hello, Guys! I don't know about Mac.. but Visio... it really old
programm. Try To Use Axure RP Pro 5 - it's really better.

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20 May 2008 - 12:09pm
Fred Beecher
2006

On 5/19/08, Jeff Gimzek <listserv at jdgimzek.com> wrote:
>
>
> On May 19, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Jeff Stevenson wrote:
>
>> The Pro version of OmniGraffle 5 is supposed to have better Visio
>> support (though I haven't tried it myself). Apparently, you can now
>> open normal Visio files (.vsd) instead of just Visio's XML format.
>> You can also import Visio stencils and templates.
>>
>> It's on this page, third feature from the top:
>> http://www.omnigroup.com/applications/omnigraffle/pro/
>
>
Inspired by this thread, I just tried it. OmniGraffle does a great job of
opening VSD files, but when I exported to VXD so that Visio could read the
doc, it opened up IN GREEK. Not kidding. Also, background pages had
disappeared, but OG has been pulling that lovely trick forever.

OG is probably the better tool, but if you have to collaborate with Visio
users, it just plain won't work for you.

F.

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