adding the twitter badge to the IxDA site?

14 May 2008 - 8:46am
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Dave Malouf
2005

hey there,

I don't know if the quality of the twitter group is going to be high or low,
but it is happening and I wonder if people might want to see what is
happening on it.

Anyone can see what is posted to the group here: http://twitter.com/ixda
But I also wonder if we want to somehow incorporate this into the main
ixda.org site.
there is the concept of a Twitter badge that can be embedded into any web
page.

thoughts?

-- dave

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14 May 2008 - 9:12am
Jens Meiert
2004

> Anyone can see what is posted to the group here: http://twitter.com/ixda
> But I also wonder if we want to somehow incorporate this into the main
> ixda.org site.
>
> thoughts?

Might be quite worthwhile: +1.

:)

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Jens Meiert
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15 May 2008 - 2:43am
AJ Kock
2007

I have always heard about twitter and it's popularity, but has never
taken any time to really use it. I didn't see the attraction in just
another chatbox. So I took a look at http://twitter.com/ixda and the
first two questions that came up were: "Why doesn't the chats have
some sort of subject heading?" and "Why isn't there some sort of live
subject cloud, which reflects the popularity of a particular
discussion?" Other than that, I think it would be extremely time
consuming if you have to read through every little comment (not even
starting at the beginning) and then decided if the conversation is
interesting or not, and then jump halfway in). Do you get conversation
tags for twitter?

15 May 2008 - 3:00am
martinpolley
2007

"Why isn't there some sort of live subject cloud, which reflects the
popularity of a particular discussion?"

tweetclouds <http://tweetclouds.com/> generates tag clouds. But I don't
think it has a backward time limit—it uses all the tweets for the specified
username to generate the cloud.

Martin

15 May 2008 - 6:40am
Dave Malouf
2005

AJ I think your problem is the way you are thinking about using
Twitter. The term "ambient intimacy" has been thrown about (coined
by Leisa Reichtl) to describe what Twitter, Jaiku, and similar
micro-blogging services are all about. So what does that mean? Well,
basically it is ambient. It is about being in the presence of, and
about getting slices of a view into a person's life.

For example, my buddy Daniel Szuc and I have met maybe 2 times in
person (him being in Hong Kong ::waving to Daniel:: and me being in
NY). But I use twitter as a means not exactly of keeping in touch,
b/c we don't really do a lot of back and forth, but just keeping
"aware" of his life. The more he and I put on the twitter space
(during times when the other is awake) the more we increase our
awareness of the other.

Daniel gets clues into the goings ons of my life in ways that even my
friends down the street who aren't on Twitter get.

This to me is the main purpose of Twitter.

Now, I'm going to contrast that to my relationship with David Armano
and Whitney Hess (::waving to them::, but they are much closer
geographically--chicago and ny respectively).

They use Twitter as a means to promote themselves, network for
business, and even to create and engage in "conversations", but in
a more robust way than simply their full-on blogs can do. They do
intermingle that with the personal ambient intimacy stuff as well.

Ways that they use it are:
1. posting links to their own blog
2. posting links to items of interest
3. announcing where they will be (like events that night, that week)
4. asking questions, like polls and surveys around ideas they are
thinking about
5. posting short ideas to get feedback, or not get feedback, but
feedback is usually coming whether they like it or not

Other things I've seen Twitter used for are:
1. Letting people know about traffic or airport delays
2. Finding people at an airport you are delayed in

But the real gist is just "noise", if you want to call it that.
It's the ramblings of people.

I find the whole notion of "searching" twitter or tagging it to be
weird. Now tracking specific topics using the # sign and track makes
sense to me. But this is something I turn on and off usually related
to events I'm attending or not attending.

Usually any conversations that do exist are not the primary intention
of the "starting tweet", but just "feedback" that someone feels
the need to express.

-- dave

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15 May 2008 - 6:46am
SemanticWill
2007

I have been thinking alot about Twitter and "ambiant intimacy..."

First - I object to the term, since it is not intimacy at all. Knowing what
you are up to does not intimacy make. The term is completely wrong - unless
we redefine intimacy as nothing more that knowing whats going on in each
others lives.

I am starting to see value in Twitter - to keep in touch with people, know
what they are up to, have a place to start a conversation - but this is not
intimacy - this is shallow friendship. This is a place from which to have
Real conversations, but it is not the conversation itself, and we should not
confuse the two. An aparatif before dinner is not dinner. Twitter is just an
aparatif, nothing more.

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 7:40 AM, David Malouf <dave at ixda.org> wrote:

> AJ I think your problem is the way you are thinking about using
> Twitter. The term "ambient intimacy" has been thrown about (coined
> by Leisa Reichtl) to describe what Twitter, Jaiku, and similar
> micro-blogging services are all about. So what does that mean? Well,
> basically it is ambient. It is about being in the presence of, and
> about getting slices of a view into a person's life.
>
> For example, my buddy Daniel Szuc and I have met maybe 2 times in
> person (him being in Hong Kong ::waving to Daniel:: and me being in
> NY). But I use twitter as a means not exactly of keeping in touch,
> b/c we don't really do a lot of back and forth, but just keeping
> "aware" of his life. The more he and I put on the twitter space
> (during times when the other is awake) the more we increase our
> awareness of the other.
>
> Daniel gets clues into the goings ons of my life in ways that even my
> friends down the street who aren't on Twitter get.
>
> This to me is the main purpose of Twitter.
>
> Now, I'm going to contrast that to my relationship with David Armano
> and Whitney Hess (::waving to them::, but they are much closer
> geographically--chicago and ny respectively).
>
> They use Twitter as a means to promote themselves, network for
> business, and even to create and engage in "conversations", but in
> a more robust way than simply their full-on blogs can do. They do
> intermingle that with the personal ambient intimacy stuff as well.
>
> Ways that they use it are:
> 1. posting links to their own blog
> 2. posting links to items of interest
> 3. announcing where they will be (like events that night, that week)
> 4. asking questions, like polls and surveys around ideas they are
> thinking about
> 5. posting short ideas to get feedback, or not get feedback, but
> feedback is usually coming whether they like it or not
>
> Other things I've seen Twitter used for are:
> 1. Letting people know about traffic or airport delays
> 2. Finding people at an airport you are delayed in
>
> But the real gist is just "noise", if you want to call it that.
> It's the ramblings of people.
>
> I find the whole notion of "searching" twitter or tagging it to be
> weird. Now tracking specific topics using the # sign and track makes
> sense to me. But this is something I turn on and off usually related
> to events I'm attending or not attending.
>
> Usually any conversations that do exist are not the primary intention
> of the "starting tweet", but just "feedback" that someone feels
> the need to express.
>
> -- dave
>
>
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> http://www.ixda.org/discuss?post=29042
>
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15 May 2008 - 7:37am
Dave Malouf
2005

Hi gang,

BW has a nice article on Twitter that I thought relevant to people.
http://tinyurl.com/3ssj5l

As to the "intimacy" discussion that Will brings up, I totally disagree.
My use of twitter and experience of it, totally leads to "closeness" in my
own personal feelings with many of the people I truly follow. BTW, just b/c
I follow you literally doesn't mean I really follow you closely. but those
whom I follow closely it is a source that helps me fill in the gaps, it is
what I call the arbitrary and mundane, and it is actually this "mundane"
that is what creates intimate relationships.

Things that help this is that Twitter is not used in isolation. Tumblr,
Flickr (txitxer), friendfeed, etc. all add more to this, but it adds to
intimacy in the way the word is intended in its basic non-sexual meanings.

-- dave

15 May 2008 - 8:10am
SemanticWill
2007

Okay - I read the BW article - which I humbly think was complete fluff -
there was no there, there (an unbearable lightness of non being).

I am really warming up to twitter, and have found that it is definitely
creating more immediacy in my conversations in the third place with folks. I
know that it does provide some context to have meaningful conversations with
people, but my point, Dave - was that it can't replace having those real
conversations. I think it can provide a means and platform for people to
have intimate conversations - I was just hesitant to think that Twitter is
those conversations...

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 8:37 AM, David Malouf <dave at ixda.org> wrote:

> Hi gang,
>
> BW has a nice article on Twitter that I thought relevant to people.
> http://tinyurl.com/3ssj5l
>
> As to the "intimacy" discussion that Will brings up, I totally disagree.
> My use of twitter and experience of it, totally leads to "closeness" in my
> own personal feelings with many of the people I truly follow. BTW, just b/c
> I follow you literally doesn't mean I really follow you closely. but those
> whom I follow closely it is a source that helps me fill in the gaps, it is
> what I call the arbitrary and mundane, and it is actually this "mundane"
> that is what creates intimate relationships.
>
> Things that help this is that Twitter is not used in isolation. Tumblr,
> Flickr (txitxer), friendfeed, etc. all add more to this, but it adds to
> intimacy in the way the word is intended in its basic non-sexual meanings.
>
> -- dave
> ________________________________________________________________
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~ will

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and what you innovate are design problems"

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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twitter: https://twitter.com/semanticwill
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15 May 2008 - 8:29am
AJ Kock
2007

Dave, how would this be more than IRC for the masses?

15 May 2008 - 8:07am
Danny Hope
2008

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 2:46 PM, David Malouf <dave.ixd at gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't know if the quality of the twitter group is going to be high or low,
> but it is happening and I wonder if people might want to see what is
> happening on it.
>
> Anyone can see what is posted to the group here: http://twitter.com/ixda
> But I also wonder if we want to somehow incorporate this into the main
> ixda.org site.
> there is the concept of a Twitter badge that can be embedded into any web
> page.

A FriendFeed widget might be the way to go:

1) Setup a FriendFeed account
2) Add any IxDA related feed to that
3) Place a FriendFeed widget on the IxDA site

The FriendFeed approach has the advantage that, later on, more
services can be incorporated, thus appearing in the feed.

I'm happy to do this if people think it's a good idea.

We can always try it and get rid of it if should the benefits not
outweigh the visual noise.

--

Regards,
Danny Hope
http://hobointernet.com
+44 (0)845 230 3760

15 May 2008 - 9:36am
Dave Malouf
2005

Will, you are serving your @semanticwill moniker well.;-)

15 May 2008 - 9:45am
Dave Malouf
2005

AJ,

This to me is all about one of the core areas that defines decisions
in interaction design. -- "posture" as Cooper discusses it. I call
it focus. How much focus do I want to or need to or can put on a
given task? IRC is chat. It's design intention and its formatting
and functionality are all designed around synchronous & focused
communication. People HAVE designed UIs that allow for more
asynchronous uses, but the very foundation of IRC is real-time.
Twitter from the ground up is meant as asynchronous status
communication. It has been used for real-time (guilty as charged),
but limited to short bursts akin to using PTT phones.

There are some key differences in the interface types and interface
modes that push towards different types of communication. One of the
main things that twitter has that IRC doesn't is an interface
to/from SMS. This really changes the ball game. When I direct message
someone in Twitter it is highly likely that that message will get to
the person whether or not they are monitoring much like an SMS. It is
used in most clients differently, after that is a "reply" or "@"
message which is also treated differently in most clients.

There are a ton of different aspects of the total experience that
really are great at highlighting the differences in posture and how
they lead to different overall uses of the tool. Heck, there is
nothing preventing me from using email the same way as twitter or
even IRC, or a BBS, etc. etc. But each is designed with a different
fundamental model of focus and thus interaction intention.

All of the above and other reasons I don't have time to read off
make Twitter a VASTLY different experience.

-- dave

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15 May 2008 - 9:46am
SemanticWill
2007

I thought about this more - while I was on the phone with Todd W this
morning, and for some reason Todd reminded me of Marshall McCluhan, the
Medium Is The Message --

What is the message for Twitter vis a vis email or ixda.org discussion or
IRC? Each can be assumed to be nothing more than agnostic platforms, but
when I choose Twitter (to reply to Dan Saffer), what am I saying? There are
at least 3 people that I have started following where their twitters have
led to some very interesting conversations - and this is within the last
week. The "mundanity" of the twitters actually led to really great
conversations that led, in turn, to a degree of intimacy (I hate this word -
but let's assume from now on that I mean real connection/discussion and not
the sexual type)....

So it can inform and increase means of real communication - it just can't
supplant it in 140 characters, yes?

On Thu, May 15, 2008 at 10:36 AM, David Malouf <dave at ixda.org> wrote:

> Will, you are serving your @semanticwill moniker well.;-)
> ________________________________________________________________
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~ will

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and what you innovate are design problems"

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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twitter: https://twitter.com/semanticwill
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16 May 2008 - 5:28am
AJ Kock
2007

Thanks Dave for the lengthy explanations. I think I understand the
benefits of the tool, but it won't ever become my main source of
communication. I am trying to cut out noice. :)

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