IRC for IXDA?

9 May 2008 - 12:48pm
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paigesaez
2007

Is there a channel for IxDa'ers? If not, could we make one? I would love to
be able to ask questions and chat in an informal way if possible.
This could be local....I am in PDX so I am shoutin' out to PDX IXDA peeps :)
Thoughts?

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Paige Saez

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9 May 2008 - 2:42pm
Matt Nish-Lapidus
2007

I would love an IRC channel... It might sound counter intuitive, but I
actually have an easier time using IRC at work than responding to long
email threads :)

On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:48 PM, paige saez <paigesaez at gmail.com> wrote:
> Is there a channel for IxDa'ers? If not, could we make one? I would love to
> be able to ask questions and chat in an informal way if possible.
> This could be local....I am in PDX so I am shoutin' out to PDX IXDA peeps :)
> Thoughts?
>
> --
> Paige Saez
>
>
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10 May 2008 - 3:17am
Sharon Greenfield5
2008

Hey good idea.
How about EFnet? It's pretty stable....I'm in #ixda on EFnet right
now...this is any unclaimed channel, I'm the only one in here.
Of course, since I don't have a bot, and I turn off or close my
machine every night, I can't stay connected to the channel
permanently to keep the claim.
But with enough people...

I am personally too lazy to download an IRC client like Trillian(pc)
or Colloquy(mac), and instead use a plug-in for Firefox called
Chatzilla.
Or people can use the web interface that is right on the http://
www.efnet.org/ home page.

I personally connect to servers like kagmir.ca, prison.net, or magic.ca
But here is the predominent EFnet server list: http://www.efnet.org/?
module=servers

-S

On May 9, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Matthew Nish-Lapidus wrote:

> I would love an IRC channel... It might sound counter intuitive, but I
> actually have an easier time using IRC at work than responding to long
> email threads :)
>
>
> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:48 PM, paige saez <paigesaez at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Is there a channel for IxDa'ers? If not, could we make one? I
>> would love to
>> be able to ask questions and chat in an informal way if possible.
>> This could be local....I am in PDX so I am shoutin' out to PDX
>> IXDA peeps :)
>> Thoughts?
>>

10 May 2008 - 2:43pm
Jeff Garbers
2008

On May 10, 2008, at 5:17 AM, the wrote:

> How about EFnet? It's pretty stable....I'm in #ixda on EFnet right
> now...this is any unclaimed channel, I'm the only one in here.

EFnet would be fine with me, but I find almost all of the channels I'm
frequenting these days are on freenode. Either way would be OK. I'll
try being on both Monday and see who shows up.

10 May 2008 - 9:10am
mcaskey
2008

I use IRC daily, mostly for chatting about web-related design and
development. I find the instant feedback, advice and general chat on
IRC channels are an indispensable resource to tap into throughout the day.

Freenode is where I find my usual channels, like #web, #javascript,
#css, etc... Freenode is known as a very "techy" network and plays host
to chat channels for almost every open-source software project,
including the Internet. :)

I use mibbit (http://www.mibbit.com/), a free web-based IRC client, to
access a variety of chat networks like EFnet and Freenode. I like using
mibbit because it colors each chat participant's text individually,
making it easier for me to tell who I'm reading.

-Mike C.

the wrote:
> Hey good idea.
> How about EFnet? It's pretty stable....I'm in #ixda on EFnet right
> now...this is any unclaimed channel, I'm the only one in here.
> Of course, since I don't have a bot, and I turn off or close my
> machine every night, I can't stay connected to the channel permanently
> to keep the claim.
> But with enough people...
>
> I am personally too lazy to download an IRC client like Trillian(pc)
> or Colloquy(mac), and instead use a plug-in for Firefox called Chatzilla.
> Or people can use the web interface that is right on the
> http://www.efnet.org/ home page.
>
> I personally connect to servers like kagmir.ca, prison.net, or magic.ca
> But here is the predominent EFnet server list:
> http://www.efnet.org/?module=servers
>
> -S
>
>
> On May 9, 2008, at 1:42 PM, Matthew Nish-Lapidus wrote:
>
>> I would love an IRC channel... It might sound counter intuitive, but I
>> actually have an easier time using IRC at work than responding to long
>> email threads :)
>>
>>
>> On Fri, May 9, 2008 at 2:48 PM, paige saez <paigesaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Is there a channel for IxDa'ers? If not, could we make one? I would
>>> love to
>>> be able to ask questions and chat in an informal way if possible.
>>> This could be local....I am in PDX so I am shoutin' out to PDX IXDA
>>> peeps :)
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
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10 May 2008 - 11:38am
paigesaez
2007

I wrote a response to this and it got rejected from the list because I
didn't snip it.

I totally think that an irc channel would be wonderful. I don't have
a tremendous amount of free time to compose long emails to the list.
Though I often wish I could.

But I have a dire need to get a quick opinion, a heads up on a place
to look for answers, or best practices on X...
if there is an interest, even if its a couple of people I would
gladly get us a channel.

I can set up a channel with a bot on irc.freenode.net.

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10 May 2008 - 5:09pm
paigesaez
2007

I set up #ixd on irc.freenode.net this a.m. after I posted my last
response earlier this am.

Not to play favorites--Just cause it was a simple enough thing to do.

I think the more channels the better personally. I just want to have
access to a community.

If this doesn't end up being the channel we use, I am not worried
about it.
In any case I will be 'there' holding down the fort even if no one
is around.

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11 May 2008 - 2:48am
Sharon Greenfield5
2008

perfect!

On May 10, 2008, at 4:09 PM, paige saez wrote:

> I set up #ixd on irc.freenode.net this a.m. after I posted my last
> response earlier this am.
>
> Not to play favorites--Just cause it was a simple enough thing to do.
>
> I think the more channels the better personally. I just want to have
> access to a community.
>
> If this doesn't end up being the channel we use, I am not worried
> about it.
> In any case I will be 'there' holding down the fort even if no one
> is around.

12 May 2008 - 10:07pm
Fred Beecher
2006

On 5/9/08, paige saez <paigesaez at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Is there a channel for IxDa'ers? If not, could we make one? I would love
> to
> be able to ask questions and chat in an informal way if possible.
> This could be local....I am in PDX so I am shoutin' out to PDX IXDA peeps
> :)
> Thoughts?
>

I always thought that IRC for IxDs was Twitter. : )

Seriously... in the late 90s, I wasted SO much of my life on IRC. And as a
recent convert to Twitter, I'm getting that good old "ambient intimacy"
feeling back. But without all the random "a/s/l?" private messages.

Maybe what needs to happen is that somewhere on the IxDA site we need a
place to list our Twitter IDs so we can all follow each other. I follow a
bunch of people I know from this list (thank you Gmail + Find from other
networks), but would love to follow more. I have asked questions of my
followers and gotten useful responses... and I have given useful responses
to questions asked by those I follow.

This does not preclude an IxDA IRC channel, but it might be a good addition.

Thoughts?
F.

13 May 2008 - 5:27am
Dave Malouf
2005

I too think that Twitter is the new chat mechanism.

I have set up a twitter account http://twitter.com/ixda
If you follow that account and someone sends a direct message "d
ixda [message]" everyone who follows will get it. I'm using a
twitter app called grouptweet.com

When you send a direct message it will show up in the follower's
feed as:
ixda via @[sender]: [message]

But I can also see how "chat" is different and better for certain
things.

A "better" version of chat might be to use something like Campfire
by the folks at 37Signals. It is good b/c it allows more robust
communications but in the same synchronous manner as IRC. Just a
thought. But for now anyone and everyone is invited to follow
"ixda" on twitter.

In the end if people like different channels and the channels are
free or close to free, what's to stop people from using them. I
guess the only concern is that you "represent" the org when you set
these things up.

-- dave

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13 May 2008 - 5:40am
SemanticWill
2007

I think many of us are on twitter -- my stream is
https://twitter.com/semanticwill
for those that care to follow

On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 7:27 AM, David Malouf <dave at ixda.org> wrote:

> I too think that Twitter is the new chat mechanism.
>
> I have set up a twitter account http://twitter.com/ixda
> If you follow that account and someone sends a direct message "d
> ixda [message]" everyone who follows will get it. I'm using a
> twitter app called grouptweet.com
>
> When you send a direct message it will show up in the follower's
> feed as:
> ixda via @[sender]: [message]
>
>
>
> But I can also see how "chat" is different and better for certain
> things.
>
> A "better" version of chat might be to use something like Campfire
> by the folks at 37Signals. It is good b/c it allows more robust
> communications but in the same synchronous manner as IRC. Just a
> thought. But for now anyone and everyone is invited to follow
> "ixda" on twitter.
>
> In the end if people like different channels and the channels are
> free or close to free, what's to stop people from using them. I
> guess the only concern is that you "represent" the org when you set
> these things up.
>
> -- dave
>
>
>
>
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13 May 2008 - 7:59am
cneidley
2008

I'm not understanding how to post to the IxDA Twitter to use it as a
chat. Any tips? My twitter is loringil, I'd love to find more people
to follow. I just signed up for Twitter about a week ago. I don't have
time to read long blogs (or even all of the IxDA emails) so it looks
perfect. Also, I know I'm going to get busted if I try and chat on
something like IRC/Aim/etc. at work.

-Christine

13 May 2008 - 8:21am
Evan K. Stone
2008

> Also, I know I'm going to
> get busted if I try and chat on
> something like IRC/Aim/etc.

One concern i had about IRC and other similar systems is that some
organizations' firewalls block the ports needed to use them. So a web-
based solution feels better to me (one with archives that we could
easily search).

But I really like the concept, whichever form it takes...

Thanks!

///eks

13 May 2008 - 8:44am
Dave Malouf
2005

Hi Christine,
Here's more details about using Twitter:

1) Go to http://twitter.com/ixda
2) Use the follow button under the account name at the top
3) Wait a bit till I have time to return the favor for "ixda"
4) check to see from your profile if "ixda" is following you
5) once it is following you, you can post a message to the "group"
by sending "d ixda [your message up to 130 characters]"

You will receive messages sent by others.

Enjoy!

-- dave

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13 May 2008 - 11:40am
Jeff Garbers
2008

On May 13, 2008, at 4:27 AM, David Malouf wrote:

> I too think that Twitter is the new chat mechanism.

As an old chat guy, but relatively recent Twitter user, I must
respectfully disagree. For me, at least, Twitter is almost
exclusively casual "watercooler" conversation. Granted, people do
raise questions and get answers, but I don't think the medium lends
itself to rapid, back-and-forth conversations, if only because Twitter
limits the frequency at which you can refresh your messages (at least
when using Twitterific, that's the case). There's also a better sense
of presence on an IRC channel, so I can open the channel and see who's
"there" and know if it's worth my time to ask a question, whereas I
have no idea who might actually be looking at a Twitter feed at any
moment.

I think a Twitter "channel" for IXDA would be appropriate for quick
postings of interesting URLs, notices of upcoming events, and so on,
but I'd much rather use IRC for interactive discussions.

13 May 2008 - 12:42pm
Dave Malouf
2005

HI Jeff, I think you make some interesting points.
I think though that different people are going to have different
needs and reactions.

I do have to say that there is the "I need yet another application"
open phenomena going on. If you have an IRC client open for other
things in your life then it makes sense, but opening one just for
this doesn't make as much sense. The opposite is also true. I
wouldn't recommend getting a twitter account and opening a twitter
client up (Hate twitter in the web version) if you don't use it in
other ways.

I do like the idea of posting URLs, event announcements and the like.
Great idea for using this.

I know there has been a lot of requests for "local" lists and chats
and what not from some local leaders, I wonder if setting up (IT IS
SOOOO EASY) local group tweets might be useful to people around
events and job announcements and the like.

Coroflot the Design job board is using twitter for job posts now and
I really like it.

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14 May 2008 - 11:17am
cneidley
2008

Hi,

What Twitter clients do you all recommend? (I've noticed the straight
up website's a bit awkward when I'm trying to view/understand/follow
the group.)

-Christine

14 May 2008 - 12:19pm
Jeff Garbers
2008

I have to admit I've given up on following the Twitter feed already,
although I am hanging around in the #ixd IRC channel. I'm not a
Twitter hater at all, but turning it into a group chat application is
a real stretch.

Here are my concerns --if the Twitter fans can offer workarounds or
suggestions to alleviate these problems, please do so!

1) The five-minute lag time between updates (at least using
Twitterific) is just too long for any meaningful back-and-forth, and
I can't see clicking "Refresh" like a subject in a Psych 101
variable-ratio conditioning experiment.

2) The 140 character limit is a clever and appropriate restriction
for the "what are you doing" kinds of micro-posts, but awkward for
well-considered discussion.

3) On my stream, the IXDA traffic gets interspersed with all of the
other tweets, making it hard to read and leading people to ask for a
Twitter client with threading (!).

4) The "via @fred: @george blah blah" stuff doesn't make it clear
(to me, at least) who's saying what.

5) Chatzilla (for those using Firefox) and Web-based IRC clients can
mitigate the "one more app" problem.

Given its limitations and awkwardnesses, would we, as interaction
designers, recommend this use of Twitter to our clients?

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14 May 2008 - 12:21pm
Dave Malouf
2005

There are a host of great clients. I recommend twhirl.org at this point.
it is x-platform built on Adobe AIR.

The Windows only client is yucky, but I see that everyone on a Mac lives on
Twitteriffic.

- dave

On Wed, May 14, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Christine Neidley <
christine.neidley at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> What Twitter clients do you all recommend? (I've noticed the straight
> up website's a bit awkward when I'm trying to view/understand/follow
> the group.)
>
> -Christine
>

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14 May 2008 - 1:10pm
Dave Malouf
2005

I agree Jeff that "chat" is not the real purpose of Twitter.
hard to let "comments" go unanswered. Like I proposed, I think a
way to post ideas from Twitter have them populate the primary list
would be interesting.

But where the twitter feed can be useful is for events and other
types of "1 offs". Where it gets weird is when a simple "1 off"
becomes a conversation starter. it is a very unmoderated space and
thus it will be hard to prevent people from "chatting".

Re: your 5min. thing. that is extreme. You can reduce that a lot. You
get 70 refreshes in total from Twitter. Where it becomes a lot is that
twitteriffic and others are concatenating several different gets into
1, so they are doing sometimes 3X's the refreshes than you think
they are doing: home directs replies for example. But Twhirl
(available on mac) allows you to set different refresh rates for each
call to twitter. E.g. by not getting Direct messages in twitteriffice,
or your client and only via email you will get the message but not
impact your refreshes.

As for the more than 1 client thing. Embedding in firefox is not
helping. It is another client, just in a different platform. I am
using twitter already, ergo, if I have to monitor and respond some
place else, it is another client.

I think the two mediums are just different in purpose, but neither
pre-disposes the other. I just have REALLY bad memories of IRC chat
from 12 years ago and I am afraid of flashbacks. Seriouslly, it
wasn't pretty. that's why I suggested Campfire, or I'll suggest
now maybe a meebo chat room (Ok, I'm a basecamp and meebo user, so I
have those apps open already anyway.)

I'm still on twitter w/ the rest of the 80 of you. :)

-- dave

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15 May 2008 - 9:03am
Jonathan McGee
2008

Hi,

Here's a suggestion for an alternative to IRC.

I'm co-founder of a web-based chat startup called Chatroll, and it
sounds like it would be an ideal home for an informal chat group like
the one being discussed. It's very lightweight, easy to get to (an
IxDA group would have its own permanent URL), very fast, no software
to install, and free. It's not IRC, which means it allows for more
group-like features like posting videos and links. And it supports
full chat funcationality (unlike Twitter). It's designed
specifically for interest groups like IxDA.

You can check it out here:
http://chatroll.com

I've created a sample IxDA group for you to try out. The group admin
for now is me but I'd be happy to transfer it to anyone on this
list...
http://chatroll.com/general/ixda-discussion

Feel free to contact me directly with questions or requests. I'd
love to help out the IxDA community however I can.

Cheers,
Jonathan

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16 May 2008 - 9:17am
Dante Murphy
2006

I joined...hope to see some others participating.

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