Means to an IxDA message? WAS: Where are all the designers?

21 Feb 2008 - 9:59pm
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Jeff Howard
2004

Liz wrote:
> So, what are some of the best means we (IxDA) could
> employ to communicate the IxD message & self-definition
> with recruiters, HR departments, education, business
> leaders, etc.?

We could start by vetting the IxDA job postings. We already screen
them for format; start screening them for content. I can't imagine
anyone on the board has the time to handle that responsibility
singlehandedly but perhaps some sort of group screening or flagging.
Make that part of the value proposition for designers searching for
jobs. We screen out the cruft.

In support of that, start teaching accepted vocabulary to recruiters.
Do it through the job board interface (first, create a job board.)
Many boards already make recruiters choose between distinctions like
fulltime/freelance and design/development. Add a few more
distinctions, explain what we say they mean, and penalize recruiters
who get it wrong in the same way we penalize recruiters who can't be
bothered to learn how to format their subject lines.

Then, based on those trials, reach out to other recruiting entities.
Create a "Guide to Hiring Interaction Designers and Interface
Designers." Tell them what to avoid and what to try. Teach them how
to speak our language. In many ways, it's the recruiters' job to
figure out how to entice the kind of candidates they want but that
doesn't mean we shouldn't help them. Use them as a bridge to the
thousands of companies out there trying to hire designers.

// jeff

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21 Feb 2008 - 11:03pm
White, Jeff
2007

IxDA could also try something similar to UPA - they have a "find a
consultant" section where members can list their names, specific skills,
etc. Recruiters being able to see firsthand what skills & experience we have
should help to establish what it is we actually do as well as help them be
more targeted when sending out job openings. Having the member profiles
adhere to the same vocabulary Jeff mentioned might really drive it home.

I think Will Evans was mentioning this idea in Andrei's original thread.

Jeff

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 18:59:51, Jeff Howard <id at howardesign.com> wrote:

> Liz wrote:
> > So, what are some of the best means we (IxDA) could
> > employ to communicate the IxD message & self-definition
> > with recruiters, HR departments, education, business
> > leaders, etc.?
>
> We could start by vetting the IxDA job postings. We already screen
> them for format; start screening them for content. I can't imagine
> anyone on the board has the time to handle that responsibility
> singlehandedly but perhaps some sort of group screening or flagging.
> Make that part of the value proposition for designers searching for
> jobs. We screen out the cruft.
>
> In support of that, start teaching accepted vocabulary to recruiters.
> Do it through the job board interface (first, create a job board.)
> Many boards already make recruiters choose between distinctions like
> fulltime/freelance and design/development. Add a few more
> distinctions, explain what we say they mean, and penalize recruiters
> who get it wrong in the same way we penalize recruiters who can't be
> bothered to learn how to format their subject lines.
>
> Then, based on those trials, reach out to other recruiting entities.
> Create a "Guide to Hiring Interaction Designers and Interface
> Designers." Tell them what to avoid and what to try. Teach them how
> to speak our language. In many ways, it's the recruiters' job to
> figure out how to entice the kind of candidates they want but that
> doesn't mean we shouldn't help them. Use them as a bridge to the
> thousands of companies out there trying to hire designers.
>
> // jeff
>
>
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21 Feb 2008 - 11:47pm
Dave Malouf
2005

Jeff H., as the architect of the web site, you and I have discussed a
bit about what it would take to make a true job board. We did some
polling and while the concept wasn't overwhelming, there is
definitely interest in having a separate area for job postings. If we
can do that and maintain it, I think it would be awesome!

Jeff W. I also found it interesting for an org with so many
non-consultants to concentrate on consulting. As an innie for now
close to 10 years, I feel the problem solving needs to solve both
sides of the aisle on this one. Focusing on consultants doesn't feel
helpful to the vast population (significant) that love their corporate
jobs. :)

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22 Feb 2008 - 8:00am
White, Jeff
2007

Hey Dave, I've always been an innie as well. Perhaps the label is
wrong. What if it was just "people looking for jobs"?

On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:47:59, dave malouf <dave at ixda.org> wrote:
> Jeff H., as the architect of the web site, you and I have discussed a
> bit about what it would take to make a true job board. We did some
> polling and while the concept wasn't overwhelming, there is
> definitely interest in having a separate area for job postings. If we
> can do that and maintain it, I think it would be awesome!
>
> Jeff W. I also found it interesting for an org with so many
> non-consultants to concentrate on consulting. As an innie for now
> close to 10 years, I feel the problem solving needs to solve both
> sides of the aisle on this one. Focusing on consultants doesn't feel
> helpful to the vast population (significant) that love their corporate
> jobs. :)
>
>
>
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22 Feb 2008 - 9:58am
Dave Malouf
2005

One concept we have discussed is a "portfolio" site where prospects can put
up their portfolios and hiring managers can easily search and browse.
Prospects can also use it as a pointer during their application process.

And yes, the term consultant is unfortunate. One can't help but think of
Dogbert, can then?

-- dave

On Fri, Feb 22, 2008 at 8:00 AM, Jeff White <jwhite31 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey Dave, I've always been an innie as well. Perhaps the label is
> wrong. What if it was just "people looking for jobs"?
>
> On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:47:59, dave malouf <dave at ixda.org> wrote:
> > Jeff H., as the architect of the web site, you and I have discussed a
> > bit about what it would take to make a true job board. We did some
> > polling and while the concept wasn't overwhelming, there is
> > definitely interest in having a separate area for job postings. If we
> > can do that and maintain it, I think it would be awesome!
> >
> > Jeff W. I also found it interesting for an org with so many
> > non-consultants to concentrate on consulting. As an innie for now
> > close to 10 years, I feel the problem solving needs to solve both
> > sides of the aisle on this one. Focusing on consultants doesn't feel
> > helpful to the vast population (significant) that love their corporate
> > jobs. :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > Posted from the new ixda.org
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> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________
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> >
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22 Feb 2008 - 10:50am
.pauric
2006

Dave: "a "portfolio" site where prospects can put up their
portfolios and hiring managers can easily search and browse."

I was of the impression that the onus was on recruiters to do the
searching and browsing, and the problem is that they dont - its
simply easier to hit Send, think later.

Also, wheel.. reinvention... etc: www.coroflot.com It doesnt solve
the portfolio-search/browse-ixda issue necessarily but this has been
a 'killer feature' in interviews for me.

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22 Feb 2008 - 11:18am
Dave Malouf
2005

Pauric, I'm confused. Are you saying that portfolios is a bad idea or
a good one? Or bad b/c Coroflot covers it already.

Coroflot has approached us and wants us to do something with them,
btw. They would love if we would use their engine the way AIGA does,
so it wouldn't be redundant per se, but just re-branded. 8-)

My issue with using Coroflot is that not everyone is equal at this
point. So many positions end up here b/c it is free, and if we went
with a Coroflot model, while they are not expensive and totally worth
it, we would loose a lot of the job postings, especially from smaller
firms/departments. I don't know how to rationalize this one.
Thoughts?

BTW, i think the survey came back with a significant number of folks
saying that they would pay for both job postings (as recruiters) and
for a portfolio site. some even would pay for access to listings that
were "vetted" in some way.

-- dave

-- dave

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22 Feb 2008 - 11:43am
Jeff Howard
2004

Incidently, this is a good example of the interplay between
interaction design and other subdisciplines of design. Designing the
ecosystem of touchpoints that encourage recruiters to play nice with
everyone is the interaction design problem. Crafting the system of
incentives and consequences that shape behavior. Leveraging the
converts as evangelists.

When it comes to form-giving, interaction design would collaborate
with interface design for the job board. We would shift to service
design for the workshop/panel idea. Then collaborate with graphic
design for the "how to hire" pamphlet.

// jeff

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24 Feb 2008 - 8:10pm
.pauric
2006

Dave, portfolios: good, and I cant see something being any better than
a light touch re-brand of coroflot's platform

Still, I've had recruiters contact me via coroflot for the most
random jobs. Portfolios, in my limited experience, are post
foot-in-the-door tools and don't solve the immediate issue of a
prevalence of frontal lobotomies among recruiters.

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27 Feb 2008 - 11:56pm
Elizabeth Bacon
2003

Hi folks,

Just wanted to say thanks for all the ideas floated here!

Are there any other thoughts lingering in people's minds about ways
in which IxDA could raise awareness in the world at large, which I
might jostle free into the light of day? :) (Now that there is an
awkward sentence.)

Cheers,
Liz

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28 Feb 2008 - 1:44pm
Michael Heraghty
2008

Re: the value of portfolios. I've begun to think that it would be
better for my company to give examples of wireframes (i.e.
prototypes) that we've created as part of designing compex websites
or online applications.

This way we'd be able to showcase our interaction design skills and
evangelise the benefits interaction design generally.

Thing is, I'm a bit wary of asking clients whether I can use their
wireframes in our portfolio. Clients are usually okay with putting
website designs in the porftolio, but examples of wireframes... I
just get the feeling they wouldn't like that.

Has anyone else posted their wireframe designs in their portfolios?

web:heraghty.net
blog:mediajunk.com

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29 Feb 2008 - 5:14am
Michael Heraghty
2008

Thanks for sharing your experience Scott, Gretchen. I guess I will
stick to only showing the finished product in the portfolio!

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29 Feb 2008 - 9:09am
bminihan
2007

I think it's legitimate for a body repair shop to show examples of damaged
cars before they fixed them, so it should be okay for a design company to
show its process on its way to creating a successful design.

I think you're asking whether it's okay for companies, and not individuals,
but personally, I put wirefames in my portfolio after a few interviewers
wanted to see more of my work "under the hood" so to speak.

Bryan
http://www.bryanminihan.com

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designers?

Has anyone else posted their wireframe designs in their portfolios?

web:heraghty.net
blog:mediajunk.com

3 Mar 2008 - 9:35am
Benjamin Ho
2007

David,
Using the Coroflot model for portfolios in IxDA is a great idea!
Perhaps you can partner with them only in that sense and not the job
posting section. Coroflot is more powerful because it categorizes
the postings more efficiently.

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