LCD remote control design

25 Sep 2007 - 3:33am
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PREETI SALUJA
2007

Hi all!
I was just browing through some new designs of remote controls having LCD
screens.
http://www.bang-olufsen.com/page.asp?id=365&bhcp=1
http://www.igadget.com.au/catalog/touch-screen-universal-remote-control-with-backlight-p-703.html
http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/logitech-harmony-670-1085.shtml
https://futurehomesystems.com/pbtsu7000.shtml

Most of these links talk of converging devices (mobile phones, PCs and
remote controls)
and RF remote controls, which can be operated even when the user is not
infront of the HDTV
But from usability point of view, is a touchscreen remote control ,good?
Are we just adding more and more functions and making it far
more complicated and intimidating for the user?
I would like to hear from all the members in this group regarding deisgn of
future remote controls and remote controls with LCD screens/touchscreens.
Please participate.
Thanks and regards,
Preeti

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25 Sep 2007 - 6:14am
SemanticWill
2007

Preeti,
It would be irresponsible to cast judgment on the specific usability of the
devices without playing with them.

"But from a usability point of view, is a touchscreen remote control good?"

To that the answer is easy - It Depends. Actually, it's the wrong question
to ask. It would be like saying "from a usability point of view, is a mouse
good?" Touchscreen remotes are just one type of input device for user
interaction and is neither usable nor unusable because it's the entire
experience - the touchscreen remote, it's interface, labels, navigation,
directed task flows - the whole enchillada that counts - and only after
reviewing the entirety of the user experience could you make a judgement -
and even that would in most cases not be black and white but some
distribution around a mean based on alot of observation.

That said - I love this little gem of marketing horsebiscuit on the
Bang-Olufsen website:
"The square glass display with soft touch keys and the aluminum ball with
tactile keys and a volume wheel are inspired by contradictions - the circle
and the square, giving Beo 5 an unusual visual expression."

Um - NO. Sorry marketing tweebster - a square and circle are not
contradictory. Here $5 kid - enroll in an intro to logic class.

--
~ will

See you at IxDA Interaction 08 | Savannah <http://interaction08.ixda.org/>

-------------------------------------------------------
will evans
user experience architect
wkevans4 at gmail.com
-------------------------------------------------------

On 9/25/07, PREETI SALUJA <preeti.saluja at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi all!
> I was just browing through some new designs of remote controls having LCD
> screens.
> http://www.bang-olufsen.com/page.asp?id=365&bhcp=1
>
> http://www.igadget.com.au/catalog/touch-screen-universal-remote-control-with-backlight-p-703.html
> http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/logitech-harmony-670-1085.shtml
> https://futurehomesystems.com/pbtsu7000.shtml
>
> Most of these links talk of converging devices (mobile phones, PCs and
> remote controls)
> and RF remote controls, which can be operated even when the user is not
> infront of the HDTV
> But from usability point of view, is a touchscreen remote control ,good?
> Are we just adding more and more functions and making it far
> more complicated and intimidating for the user?
> I would like to hear from all the members in this group regarding deisgn
> of
> future remote controls and remote controls with LCD screens/touchscreens.
> Please participate.
> Thanks and regards,
> Preeti
> ________________________________________________________________
> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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25 Sep 2007 - 6:46am
Dan Brown
2004

Remote controls have a fundamental problem: they require users to look away
from the appliance. As appliances grow more complex, with elaborate menu
systems, it becomes difficult for me to gauge feedback if I have to look
away from the appliance's screen every time.

Touch screens will, I fear, make the situation worse. With no tactile
feedback on button size and position (already difficult with today's
remotes), users will be glancing back and forth even more!

So, I designed this "no-look remote" to address this difficult. It is,
essentially, a hand-held mouse with an infrared emitter (or whatever
technology is used to communicate between two devices). It depends on a more
complex menu system built into the appliance, but the simple gestures
permitted by the remote make it somewhat universal.

I put this in portfolio as an attempt to break into interactive television
several years ago...

http://greenonions.com/portfolio/personal_remote.pdf

-- Dan

On 9/25/07, W Evans <wkevans4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Preeti,
> It would be irresponsible to cast judgment on the specific usability of
> the
> devices without playing with them.
>
> "But from a usability point of view, is a touchscreen remote control
> good?"
>
> To that the answer is easy - It Depends. Actually, it's the wrong question
> to ask. It would be like saying "from a usability point of view, is a
> mouse
> good?" Touchscreen remotes are just one type of input device for user
> interaction and is neither usable nor unusable because it's the entire
> experience - the touchscreen remote, it's interface, labels, navigation,
> directed task flows - the whole enchillada that counts - and only after
> reviewing the entirety of the user experience could you make a judgement -
> and even that would in most cases not be black and white but some
> distribution around a mean based on alot of observation.
>
> That said - I love this little gem of marketing horsebiscuit on the
> Bang-Olufsen website:
> "The square glass display with soft touch keys and the aluminum ball with
> tactile keys and a volume wheel are inspired by contradictions - the
> circle
> and the square, giving Beo 5 an unusual visual expression."
>
> Um - NO. Sorry marketing tweebster - a square and circle are not
> contradictory. Here $5 kid - enroll in an intro to logic class.
>
>
>
> --
> ~ will
>
> See you at IxDA Interaction 08 | Savannah <http://interaction08.ixda.org/>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> will evans
> user experience architect
> wkevans4 at gmail.com
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 9/25/07, PREETI SALUJA <preeti.saluja at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all!
> > I was just browing through some new designs of remote controls having
> LCD
> > screens.
> > http://www.bang-olufsen.com/page.asp?id=365&bhcp=1
> >
> >
> http://www.igadget.com.au/catalog/touch-screen-universal-remote-control-with-backlight-p-703.html
> > http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/logitech-harmony-670-1085.shtml
> > https://futurehomesystems.com/pbtsu7000.shtml
> >
> > Most of these links talk of converging devices (mobile phones, PCs and
> > remote controls)
> > and RF remote controls, which can be operated even when the user is not
> > infront of the HDTV
> > But from usability point of view, is a touchscreen remote control ,good?
> > Are we just adding more and more functions and making it far
> > more complicated and intimidating for the user?
> > I would like to hear from all the members in this group regarding deisgn
> > of
> > future remote controls and remote controls with LCD
> screens/touchscreens.
> > Please participate.
> > Thanks and regards,
> > Preeti
> > ________________________________________________________________
> > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
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> >
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25 Sep 2007 - 9:36am
russwilson
2005

Very creative!

How would you select a specific channel (e.g. 63)?
I do that constantly and actually "feel" my way around
the number pad to the right numbers...

-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of Dan Brown
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 6:47 AM
To: IxDA Discuss
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] LCD remote control design

Remote controls have a fundamental problem: they require users to look away
from the appliance. As appliances grow more complex, with elaborate menu
systems, it becomes difficult for me to gauge feedback if I have to look
away from the appliance's screen every time.

Touch screens will, I fear, make the situation worse. With no tactile
feedback on button size and position (already difficult with today's
remotes), users will be glancing back and forth even more!

So, I designed this "no-look remote" to address this difficult. It is,
essentially, a hand-held mouse with an infrared emitter (or whatever
technology is used to communicate between two devices). It depends on a more
complex menu system built into the appliance, but the simple gestures
permitted by the remote make it somewhat universal.

I put this in portfolio as an attempt to break into interactive television
several years ago...

http://greenonions.com/portfolio/personal_remote.pdf

-- Dan

On 9/25/07, W Evans <wkevans4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Preeti,
> It would be irresponsible to cast judgment on the specific usability of
> the
> devices without playing with them.
>
> "But from a usability point of view, is a touchscreen remote control
> good?"
>
> To that the answer is easy - It Depends. Actually, it's the wrong question
> to ask. It would be like saying "from a usability point of view, is a
> mouse
> good?" Touchscreen remotes are just one type of input device for user
> interaction and is neither usable nor unusable because it's the entire
> experience - the touchscreen remote, it's interface, labels, navigation,
> directed task flows - the whole enchillada that counts - and only after
> reviewing the entirety of the user experience could you make a judgement -
> and even that would in most cases not be black and white but some
> distribution around a mean based on alot of observation.
>
> That said - I love this little gem of marketing horsebiscuit on the
> Bang-Olufsen website:
> "The square glass display with soft touch keys and the aluminum ball with
> tactile keys and a volume wheel are inspired by contradictions - the
> circle
> and the square, giving Beo 5 an unusual visual expression."
>
> Um - NO. Sorry marketing tweebster - a square and circle are not
> contradictory. Here $5 kid - enroll in an intro to logic class.
>
>
>
> --
> ~ will
>
> See you at IxDA Interaction 08 | Savannah <http://interaction08.ixda.org/>
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> will evans
> user experience architect
> wkevans4 at gmail.com
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 9/25/07, PREETI SALUJA <preeti.saluja at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all!
> > I was just browing through some new designs of remote controls having
> LCD
> > screens.
> > http://www.bang-olufsen.com/page.asp?id=365&bhcp=1
> >
> >
> http://www.igadget.com.au/catalog/touch-screen-universal-remote-control-with-backlight-p-703.html
> > http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/logitech-harmony-670-1085.shtml
> > https://futurehomesystems.com/pbtsu7000.shtml
> >
> > Most of these links talk of converging devices (mobile phones, PCs and
> > remote controls)
> > and RF remote controls, which can be operated even when the user is not
> > infront of the HDTV
> > But from usability point of view, is a touchscreen remote control ,good?
> > Are we just adding more and more functions and making it far
> > more complicated and intimidating for the user?
> > I would like to hear from all the members in this group regarding deisgn
> > of
> > future remote controls and remote controls with LCD
> screens/touchscreens.
> > Please participate.
> > Thanks and regards,
> > Preeti
> > ________________________________________________________________
> > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
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> >
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25 Sep 2007 - 10:51am
AlokJain
2006

Priti,

Part of the question would be define what is the remote being used
for, in different contexts priorities would be different.

if we look at devices like television, at most fundamental level
remote is a simple device with two basic functions - browse and
select . As complexity increases (1000+ channels, Internet browsing
etc...) things would change ofcourse.

I think touchscreen technology can be applied in two different ways;
1. Where controls appear on the remote - so we get different buttons
on the remote
2. Where controls appear on the screen and the remote acts more like
a mouse pad. Further this could accept gestures to further simplify
the experience. (possibly double tap to pause, double tap again to
pause, slide the finger left to right to change channels, slip up/
down to change volume etc..)

I also explored a different design for remote: http://
icreate.wordpress.com/2006/08/11/remote-controls/
Looking at this design again, I would change a few things to further
simplify, but no time right now..

Cheers
Alok Jain

> On 9/25/07, PREETI SALUJA <preeti.saluja at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> But from usability point of view, is a touchscreen remote
>>> control ,good?

25 Sep 2007 - 11:45am
Dan Brown
2004

The thought, for better or worse, was that the remote would sacrifice the
ability to navigate to a specific channel in lieu of a simple scrolling
mechanism. (iPod, anyone?)

If you hold down the channel up/down button on your remote, there's a
perceptible delay between each channel change. Not sure if this is an
interface thing or an artifact of the technology. With the no-look remote,
the idea would be that I could scroll channels without having to wait for
the channel to "load" before moving to the next one. Once I've stopped on a
channel for a full second would the TV tune to it.

And, channel numbers? So 20th century. (And yet so persistent.) Perhaps with
a scrollable interface, we could eliminate this antiquated labeling
convention...

-- Dan

On 9/25/07, Wilson, Russell <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> wrote:
>
> Very creative!
>
> How would you select a specific channel (e.g. 63)?
> I do that constantly and actually "feel" my way around
> the number pad to the right numbers...
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com [mailto:
> discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of Dan Brown
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 6:47 AM
> To: IxDA Discuss
> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] LCD remote control design
>
> Remote controls have a fundamental problem: they require users to look
> away
> from the appliance. As appliances grow more complex, with elaborate menu
> systems, it becomes difficult for me to gauge feedback if I have to look
> away from the appliance's screen every time.
>
> Touch screens will, I fear, make the situation worse. With no tactile
> feedback on button size and position (already difficult with today's
> remotes), users will be glancing back and forth even more!
>
> So, I designed this "no-look remote" to address this difficult. It is,
> essentially, a hand-held mouse with an infrared emitter (or whatever
> technology is used to communicate between two devices). It depends on a
> more
> complex menu system built into the appliance, but the simple gestures
> permitted by the remote make it somewhat universal.
>
> I put this in portfolio as an attempt to break into interactive television
> several years ago...
>
> http://greenonions.com/portfolio/personal_remote.pdf
>
> -- Dan
>
> On 9/25/07, W Evans <wkevans4 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Preeti,
> > It would be irresponsible to cast judgment on the specific usability of
> > the
> > devices without playing with them.
> >
> > "But from a usability point of view, is a touchscreen remote control
> > good?"
> >
> > To that the answer is easy - It Depends. Actually, it's the wrong
> question
> > to ask. It would be like saying "from a usability point of view, is a
> > mouse
> > good?" Touchscreen remotes are just one type of input device for user
> > interaction and is neither usable nor unusable because it's the entire
> > experience - the touchscreen remote, it's interface, labels, navigation,
> > directed task flows - the whole enchillada that counts - and only after
> > reviewing the entirety of the user experience could you make a judgement
> -
> > and even that would in most cases not be black and white but some
> > distribution around a mean based on alot of observation.
> >
> > That said - I love this little gem of marketing horsebiscuit on the
> > Bang-Olufsen website:
> > "The square glass display with soft touch keys and the aluminum ball
> with
> > tactile keys and a volume wheel are inspired by contradictions - the
> > circle
> > and the square, giving Beo 5 an unusual visual expression."
> >
> > Um - NO. Sorry marketing tweebster - a square and circle are not
> > contradictory. Here $5 kid - enroll in an intro to logic class.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > ~ will
> >
> > See you at IxDA Interaction 08 | Savannah <
> http://interaction08.ixda.org/>
> >
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > will evans
> > user experience architect
> > wkevans4 at gmail.com
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > On 9/25/07, PREETI SALUJA <preeti.saluja at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all!
> > > I was just browing through some new designs of remote controls having
> > LCD
> > > screens.
> > > http://www.bang-olufsen.com/page.asp?id=365&bhcp=1
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.igadget.com.au/catalog/touch-screen-universal-remote-control-with-backlight-p-703.html
> > > http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/logitech-harmony-670-1085.shtml
> > > https://futurehomesystems.com/pbtsu7000.shtml
> > >
> > > Most of these links talk of converging devices (mobile phones, PCs and
> > > remote controls)
> > > and RF remote controls, which can be operated even when the user is
> not
> > > infront of the HDTV
> > > But from usability point of view, is a touchscreen remote control
> ,good?
> > > Are we just adding more and more functions and making it far
> > > more complicated and intimidating for the user?
> > > I would like to hear from all the members in this group regarding
> deisgn
> > > of
> > > future remote controls and remote controls with LCD
> > screens/touchscreens.
> > > Please participate.
> > > Thanks and regards,
> > > Preeti
> > > ________________________________________________________________
> > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
> > > List Guidelines ............ http://beta.ixda.org/guidelines
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>
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25 Sep 2007 - 11:58am
Oleh Kovalchuke
2006

>
> And, channel numbers? So 20th century. (And yet so persistent.) Perhaps
> with
> a scrollable interface, we could eliminate this antiquated labeling
> convention...

I would keep it. The scroll wheel is good form for browsing, the numeric pad
is for searching - two very distinct tasks in looking for information.

Oleh

25 Sep 2007 - 12:15pm
SemanticWill
2007

Great point Oleh - if we look at this as an Information Retrieval within the
context of HII (Human Information Interaction) problem - at least there are
some best practices and design patterns to the problem space that we can try
to map to the remote control - because the use is actually doing information
interaction - they are looking for content - of various types - and may be
motivated by one of the four types of information seeking behaviors/goals --
run over and check out Donna Maurer's article "Four Modes of Seeking
Information and How to Design for
Them<http://www.boxesandarrows.com/view/four_modes_of_seeking_information_and_how_to_design_for_them>,"
on Boxes and Arrows... this breaks it down into:
1. Known-item: I know the Patriots are beating the Bills -- what channel is
that? You know exactly what you want - and enter channel 007 on the keypad -
and boom - Brady is tossing a Hail Mary to randy moss! Patriots Score!
2. Exploratory: Something has to be on besides infomercials at 2am on a
Tuesday night - and I have already seen every episode of MASH - what else is
on...
3. Don't know what i need to know: harder to map this one - but friend says
- check out PBS tonight at 9pm. Don't know what channel PBS is, or what is
on, or why it's important - but need to find it, go there and consume the
information
4. Re-finding - I knew I was somewhere earlier and it had really good
content - what was that??? Hit "History" key, scroll through, "AH - Ha - I
was on the Independent Film Channel - yeah - that's it."

My point to all this is that Oleh brought up the fact that when we look at
some interaction design problems and solutions - try to break it down to an
fundamental problem - remote control is an information retrieval device is
not a perfect by any means metaphor - but HII does provide some context and
principle's from which to address the problem and perhaps think of new
solutions.

Savvy?

--
~ will

IxDA Interaction 08 | Savannah
http://interaction08.ixda.org/
-------------------------------------------------------
will evans
user experience architect
wkevans4 at gmail.com
-------------------------------------------------------

On 9/25/07, Oleh Kovalchuke <tangospring at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > And, channel numbers? So 20th century. (And yet so persistent.) Perhaps
> > with
> > a scrollable interface, we could eliminate this antiquated labeling
> > convention...
>
>
> I would keep it. The scroll wheel is good form for browsing, the numeric
> pad
> is for searching - two very distinct tasks in looking for information.
>
> Oleh
> ________________________________________________________________
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25 Sep 2007 - 12:17pm
Shaun Bergmann
2007

On 9/25/07, PREETI SALUJA <preeti.saluja at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Are we just adding more and more functions and making it far
> more complicated and intimidating for the user?

As Will said, it completely depends. The higher end models available in
touchscreen remotes are basically shipped as a blank slate, and absolutely
everything from the creation of the basic graphical layout through to the
logical hierarchy of the button presentation, ergonomic considerations, the
programmed AI of the 'back end' interaction of the display and how the
hardware you're controlling reacts is completely determined by the designer
/ programmer creating the remote.

The basic idea in these remotes is a good one: For people that have complex
theatre systems, gone should be the day when you sit down on your sofa, and
shuffle your way through 5 different remote controls sitting on your coffee
table to turn on the TV, the DVD, the receiver, change the input on the TV,
then do the same to the receiver... you get the picture. (Guests of mine,
to their embarrassment, could never quite figure out how to simply switch
from Xbox to TV with my 4 remote combination.)
So, having a single button on a single unit that says "Watch DVD' is
certainly not more complicated and intimidating for the user.

That being said, it's entirely possible (and unfortunately common) that the
programmer behind the design of the system hasn't had any real exposure to
something called HCI, and you end up with something almost entirely
unusable. (I've heard of people that have had hundreds of thousands of
dollars worth of home automation panels installed in their houses, and then
never using 90% of the system due to it's complexity) So if the remote is
complicated and intimidating, then somebody didn't do their job well.

Other than that, if the interface is completely touchscreen based with no
hard buttons at all, then yes -- you will be constantly having to look up at
the screen / down at your hand. Without the tactile feel of the buttons,
the usability takes a bit of hit.

Ideally, with the larger displays that are now available, you would be able
to stream a wireless video signal to the remote itself and have it display
on the touchscreen.
Think of the menu display of a Tivo or other HD Cable box / Satellite
reciever
Rev 1 of this would just simplify your navigation (no looking up and down
while you are trying to set up a new recording on the PVR)
Rev 2 of this would remove most of the necessity of the navigation buttons
(up down left right enter) all together, as you would simply be touching the
selection displayed.

Well, that'd be in my perfect world, but we're not their yet.

25 Sep 2007 - 12:35pm
Oleh Kovalchuke
2006

#4. Re-finding, is good point, Will.
One should not forget to support the "History" functionality.

Oleh

On 9/25/07, W Evans <wkevans4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Great point Oleh - if we look at this as an Information Retrieval within
> the context of HII (Human Information Interaction) problem - at least there
> are some best practices and design patterns to the problem space that we can
> try to map to the remote control - because the use is actually doing
> information interaction - they are looking for content - of various types -
> and may be motivated by one of the four types of information seeking
> behaviors/goals -- run over and check out Donna Maurer's article " Four
> Modes of Seeking Information and How to Design for Them<http://www.boxesandarrows.com/view/four_modes_of_seeking_information_and_how_to_design_for_them>,"
> on Boxes and Arrows... this breaks it down into:
> 1. Known-item: I know the Patriots are beating the Bills -- what channel
> is that? You know exactly what you want - and enter channel 007 on the
> keypad - and boom - Brady is tossing a Hail Mary to randy moss! Patriots
> Score!
> 2. Exploratory: Something has to be on besides infomercials at 2am on a
> Tuesday night - and I have already seen every episode of MASH - what else is
> on...
> 3. Don't know what i need to know: harder to map this one - but friend
> says - check out PBS tonight at 9pm. Don't know what channel PBS is, or what
> is on, or why it's important - but need to find it, go there and consume the
> information
> 4. Re-finding - I knew I was somewhere earlier and it had really good
> content - what was that??? Hit "History" key, scroll through, "AH - Ha - I
> was on the Independent Film Channel - yeah - that's it."
>
> My point to all this is that Oleh brought up the fact that when we look at
> some interaction design problems and solutions - try to break it down to an
> fundamental problem - remote control is an information retrieval device is
> not a perfect by any means metaphor - but HII does provide some context and
> principle's from which to address the problem and perhaps think of new
> solutions.
>
> Savvy?
>
> --
> ~ will
>
> IxDA Interaction 08 | Savannah
> http://interaction08.ixda.org/
> -------------------------------------------------------
> will evans
> user experience architect
> wkevans4 at gmail.com
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> On 9/25/07, Oleh Kovalchuke <tangospring at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > >
> > > And, channel numbers? So 20th century. (And yet so persistent.)
> > Perhaps
> > > with
> > > a scrollable interface, we could eliminate this antiquated labeling
> > > convention...
> >
> >
> > I would keep it. The scroll wheel is good form for browsing, the numeric
> > pad
> > is for searching - two very distinct tasks in looking for information.
> >
> > Oleh
> > ________________________________________________________________
> > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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Interaction Design is the Design of Time
http://www.tangospring.com/IxDtopicWhatIsInteractionDesign.htm

25 Sep 2007 - 12:39pm
SemanticWill
2007

Complete this analogy:
History/breadcrumbs is to content navigation as Undo is to
_______________________.

:-)

On 9/25/07, Oleh Kovalchuke <tangospring at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> #4. Re-finding, is good point, Will.
> One should not forget to support the "History" functionality.
>
> Oleh
>
>
> On 9/25/07, W Evans <wkevans4 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Great point Oleh - if we look at this as an Information Retrieval within
> > the context of HII (Human Information Interaction) problem - at least there
> > are some best practices and design patterns to the problem space that we can
> > try to map to the remote control - because the use is actually doing
> > information interaction - they are looking for content - of various types -
> > and may be motivated by one of the four types of information seeking
> > behaviors/goals -- run over and check out Donna Maurer's article " Four
> > Modes of Seeking Information and How to Design for Them
> > <http://www.boxesandarrows.com/view/four_modes_of_seeking_information_and_how_to_design_for_them>,"
> > on Boxes and Arrows... this breaks it down into:
> > 1. Known-item: I know the Patriots are beating the Bills -- what channel
> > is that? You know exactly what you want - and enter channel 007 on the
> > keypad - and boom - Brady is tossing a Hail Mary to randy moss! Patriots
> > Score!
> > 2. Exploratory: Something has to be on besides infomercials at 2am on a
> > Tuesday night - and I have already seen every episode of MASH - what else is
> > on...
> > 3. Don't know what i need to know: harder to map this one - but friend
> > says - check out PBS tonight at 9pm. Don't know what channel PBS is, or what
> > is on, or why it's important - but need to find it, go there and consume the
> > information
> > 4. Re-finding - I knew I was somewhere earlier and it had really good
> > content - what was that??? Hit "History" key, scroll through, "AH - Ha - I
> > was on the Independent Film Channel - yeah - that's it."
> >
> > My point to all this is that Oleh brought up the fact that when we look
> > at some interaction design problems and solutions - try to break it down to
> > an fundamental problem - remote control is an information retrieval device
> > is not a perfect by any means metaphor - but HII does provide some context
> > and principle's from which to address the problem and perhaps think of new
> > solutions.
> >
> > Savvy?
> >
> > --
> > ~ will
> >
> > IxDA Interaction 08 | Savannah
> > http://interaction08.ixda.org/
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> > will evans
> > user experience architect
> > wkevans4 at gmail.com
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > On 9/25/07, Oleh Kovalchuke <tangospring at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > >
> > > > And, channel numbers? So 20th century. (And yet so persistent.)
> > > Perhaps
> > > > with
> > > > a scrollable interface, we could eliminate this antiquated labeling
> > > > convention...
> > >
> > >
> > > I would keep it. The scroll wheel is good form for browsing, the
> > > numeric pad
> > > is for searching - two very distinct tasks in looking for information.
> > >
> > > Oleh
> > > ________________________________________________________________
> > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
> > > List Guidelines ............ http://beta.ixda.org/guidelines
> > > List Help .................. http://beta.ixda.org/help
> > > Unsubscribe ................ http://beta.ixda.org/unsubscribe
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> > > Home ....................... http://beta.ixda.org
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Oleh Kovalchuke
> Interaction Design is the Design of Time
> http://www.tangospring.com/IxDtopicWhatIsInteractionDesign.htm

--
~ will

IxDA Interaction 08 | Savannah
http://interaction08.ixda.org/
-------------------------------------------------------
will evans
user experience architect
wkevans4 at gmail.com
-------------------------------------------------------

25 Sep 2007 - 4:12pm
cfmdesigns
2004

-----Original Message-----
>From: Dan Brown <brownorama at gmail.com>
>Sent: Sep 25, 2007 9:45 AM
>To: "Wilson, Russell" <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com>
>Cc: IxDA Discuss <discuss at ixda.org>
>Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] LCD remote control design
>
>The thought, for better or worse, was that the remote would sacrifice the
>ability to navigate to a specific channel in lieu of a simple scrolling
>mechanism. (iPod, anyone?)
>
>If you hold down the channel up/down button on your remot>From: Dan Brown <brownorama at gmail.com>
>
>The thought, for better or worse, was that the remote would sacrifice the
>ability to navigate to a specific channel in lieu of a simple scrolling
>mechanism. (iPod, anyone?)
>
>And, channel numbers? So 20th century. (And yet so persistent.) Perhaps with
>a scrollable interface, we could eliminate this antiquated labeling
>convention...

Just be sure to test with a list of 1000 channels -- viewed only ten at a time, and with random naming (but perhaps vague logical grouping, like most sports channels being together) -- before you ship the thing. I'd love to know how easy and quick it is to target a particular home shopping channel without numbers or other means of entering data.

-- Jim
e, there's a
>perceptible delay between each channel change. Not sure if this is an
>interface thing or an artifact of the technology. With the no-look remote,
>the idea would be that I could scroll channels without having to wait for
>the channel to "load" before moving to the next one. Once I've stopped on a
>channel for a full second would the TV tune to it.
>
>And, channel numbers? So 20th century. (And yet so persistent.) Perhaps with
>a scrollable interface, we could eliminate this antiquated labeling
>convention...
>
>-- Dan
>
>
>
>On 9/25/07, Wilson, Russell <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> wrote:
>>
>> Very creative!
>>
>> How would you select a specific channel (e.g. 63)?
>> I do that constantly and actually "feel" my way around
>> the number pad to the right numbers...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com [mailto:
>> discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of Dan Brown
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 6:47 AM
>> To: IxDA Discuss
>> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] LCD remote control design
>>
>> Remote controls have a fundamental problem: they require users to look
>> away
>> from the appliance. As appliances grow more complex, with elaborate menu
>> systems, it becomes difficult for me to gauge feedback if I have to look
>> away from the appliance's screen every time.
>>
>> Touch screens will, I fear, make the situation worse. With no tactile
>> feedback on button size and position (already difficult with today's
>> remotes), users will be glancing back and forth even more!
>>
>> So, I designed this "no-look remote" to address this difficult. It is,
>> essentially, a hand-held mouse with an infrared emitter (or whatever
>> technology is used to communicate between two devices). It depends on a
>> more
>> complex menu system built into the appliance, but the simple gestures
>> permitted by the remote make it somewhat universal.
>>
>> I put this in portfolio as an attempt to break into interactive television
>> several years ago...
>>
>> http://greenonions.com/portfolio/personal_remote.pdf
>>
>> -- Dan
>>
>> On 9/25/07, W Evans <wkevans4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Preeti,
>> > It would be irresponsible to cast judgment on the specific usability of
>> > the
>> > devices without playing with them.
>> >
>> > "But from a usability point of view, is a touchscreen remote control
>> > good?"
>> >
>> > To that the answer is easy - It Depends. Actually, it's the wrong
>> question
>> > to ask. It would be like saying "from a usability point of view, is a
>> > mouse
>> > good?" Touchscreen remotes are just one type of input device for user
>> > interaction and is neither usable nor unusable because it's the entire
>> > experience - the touchscreen remote, it's interface, labels, navigation,
>> > directed task flows - the whole enchillada that counts - and only after
>> > reviewing the entirety of the user experience could you make a judgement
>> -
>> > and even that would in most cases not be black and white but some
>> > distribution around a mean based on alot of observation.
>> >
>> > That said - I love this little gem of marketing horsebiscuit on the
>> > Bang-Olufsen website:
>> > "The square glass display with soft touch keys and the aluminum ball
>> with
>> > tactile keys and a volume wheel are inspired by contradictions - the
>> > circle
>> > and the square, giving Beo 5 an unusual visual expression."
>> >
>> > Um - NO. Sorry marketing tweebster - a square and circle are not
>> > contradictory. Here $5 kid - enroll in an intro to logic class.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > ~ will
>> >
>> > See you at IxDA Interaction 08 | Savannah <
>> http://interaction08.ixda.org/>
>> >
>> > -------------------------------------------------------
>> > will evans
>> > user experience architect
>> > wkevans4 at gmail.com
>> > -------------------------------------------------------
>> >
>> > On 9/25/07, PREETI SALUJA <preeti.saluja at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi all!
>> > > I was just browing through some new designs of remote controls having
>> > LCD
>> > > screens.
>> > > http://www.bang-olufsen.com/page.asp?id=365&bhcp=1
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> http://www.igadget.com.au/catalog/touch-screen-universal-remote-control-with-backlight-p-703.html
>> > > http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/logitech-harmony-670-1085.shtml
>> > > https://futurehomesystems.com/pbtsu7000.shtml
>> > >
>> > > Most of these links talk of converging devices (mobile phones, PCs and
>> > > remote controls)
>> > > and RF remote controls, which can be operated even when the user is
>> not
>> > > infront of the HDTV
>> > > But from usability point of view, is a touchscreen remote control
>> ,good?
>> > > Are we just adding more and more functions and making it far
>> > > more complicated and intimidating for the user?
>> > > I would like to hear from all the members in this group regarding
>> deisgn
>> > > of
>> > > future remote controls and remote controls with LCD
>> > screens/touchscreens.
>> > > Please participate.
>> > > Thanks and regards,
>> > > Preeti
>> > > ________________________________________________________________
>> > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
>> > > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
>> > > List Guidelines ............ http://beta.ixda.org/guidelines
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>>
>>
>>
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25 Sep 2007 - 4:47pm
Adriana Tavares
2004

Dan's and Alok remote controls are great. Have you guys seen the Hillcrest
labs Loop remote? http://www.hillcrestlabs.com/products/index.php

Here is (or at least it was 4 year ago) my ideal remote control done for my
master degree final project. I don't believe it is the ideal remote control
anymore, but I'm curious to see how it would perform on a usability test.
The main ideas are the screen synchronization, the slide out keyboard and
the finger print reader for personalization.

http://www.adrianatavares.com/downloads/ideal_remotecontrol01f.pdf

As for Shaun's idea of displaying all interaction on the remote display
(please correct me if I misunderstood), I would say TV is a social
interaction. The person next to me should also be able to see what I'm
browsing and selecting, shouldn't her?

I agree with Oleh, they keypad is still crucial for today users.

Nice discussion.

Thanks,
Adriana

On 9/25/07 2:12 PM, "Jim Drew" <cfmdesigns at earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Dan Brown <brownorama at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Sep 25, 2007 9:45 AM
>> To: "Wilson, Russell" <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com>
>> Cc: IxDA Discuss <discuss at ixda.org>
>> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] LCD remote control design
>>
>> The thought, for better or worse, was that the remote would sacrifice the
>> ability to navigate to a specific channel in lieu of a simple scrolling
>> mechanism. (iPod, anyone?)
>>
>> If you hold down the channel up/down button on your remot>From: Dan Brown
>> <brownorama at gmail.com>
>>
>> The thought, for better or worse, was that the remote would sacrifice the
>> ability to navigate to a specific channel in lieu of a simple scrolling
>> mechanism. (iPod, anyone?)
>>
>> And, channel numbers? So 20th century. (And yet so persistent.) Perhaps with
>> a scrollable interface, we could eliminate this antiquated labeling
>> convention...
>
> Just be sure to test with a list of 1000 channels -- viewed only ten at a
> time, and with random naming (but perhaps vague logical grouping, like most
> sports channels being together) -- before you ship the thing. I'd love to
> know how easy and quick it is to target a particular home shopping channel
> without numbers or other means of entering data.
>
> -- Jim
> e, there's a
>> perceptible delay between each channel change. Not sure if this is an
>> interface thing or an artifact of the technology. With the no-look remote,
>> the idea would be that I could scroll channels without having to wait for
>> the channel to "load" before moving to the next one. Once I've stopped on a
>> channel for a full second would the TV tune to it.
>>
>> And, channel numbers? So 20th century. (And yet so persistent.) Perhaps with
>> a scrollable interface, we could eliminate this antiquated labeling
>> convention...
>>
>> -- Dan
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/25/07, Wilson, Russell <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Very creative!
>>>
>>> How would you select a specific channel (e.g. 63)?
>>> I do that constantly and actually "feel" my way around
>>> the number pad to the right numbers...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com [mailto:
>>> discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of Dan Brown
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 6:47 AM
>>> To: IxDA Discuss
>>> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] LCD remote control design
>>>
>>> Remote controls have a fundamental problem: they require users to look
>>> away
>>> from the appliance. As appliances grow more complex, with elaborate menu
>>> systems, it becomes difficult for me to gauge feedback if I have to look
>>> away from the appliance's screen every time.
>>>
>>> Touch screens will, I fear, make the situation worse. With no tactile
>>> feedback on button size and position (already difficult with today's
>>> remotes), users will be glancing back and forth even more!
>>>
>>> So, I designed this "no-look remote" to address this difficult. It is,
>>> essentially, a hand-held mouse with an infrared emitter (or whatever
>>> technology is used to communicate between two devices). It depends on a
>>> more
>>> complex menu system built into the appliance, but the simple gestures
>>> permitted by the remote make it somewhat universal.
>>>
>>> I put this in portfolio as an attempt to break into interactive television
>>> several years ago...
>>>
>>> http://greenonions.com/portfolio/personal_remote.pdf
>>>
>>> -- Dan
>>>
>>> On 9/25/07, W Evans <wkevans4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Preeti,
>>>> It would be irresponsible to cast judgment on the specific usability of
>>>> the
>>>> devices without playing with them.
>>>>
>>>> "But from a usability point of view, is a touchscreen remote control
>>>> good?"
>>>>
>>>> To that the answer is easy - It Depends. Actually, it's the wrong
>>> question
>>>> to ask. It would be like saying "from a usability point of view, is a
>>>> mouse
>>>> good?" Touchscreen remotes are just one type of input device for user
>>>> interaction and is neither usable nor unusable because it's the entire
>>>> experience - the touchscreen remote, it's interface, labels, navigation,
>>>> directed task flows - the whole enchillada that counts - and only after
>>>> reviewing the entirety of the user experience could you make a judgement
>>> -
>>>> and even that would in most cases not be black and white but some
>>>> distribution around a mean based on alot of observation.
>>>>
>>>> That said - I love this little gem of marketing horsebiscuit on the
>>>> Bang-Olufsen website:
>>>> "The square glass display with soft touch keys and the aluminum ball
>>> with
>>>> tactile keys and a volume wheel are inspired by contradictions - the
>>>> circle
>>>> and the square, giving Beo 5 an unusual visual expression."
>>>>
>>>> Um - NO. Sorry marketing tweebster - a square and circle are not
>>>> contradictory. Here $5 kid - enroll in an intro to logic class.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> ~ will
>>>>
>>>> See you at IxDA Interaction 08 | Savannah <
>>> http://interaction08.ixda.org/>
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>> will evans
>>>> user experience architect
>>>> wkevans4 at gmail.com
>>>> -------------------------------------------------------
>>>>
>>>> On 9/25/07, PREETI SALUJA <preeti.saluja at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all!
>>>>> I was just browing through some new designs of remote controls having
>>>> LCD
>>>>> screens.
>>>>> http://www.bang-olufsen.com/page.asp?id=365&bhcp=1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>> http://www.igadget.com.au/catalog/touch-screen-universal-remote-control-with
>>> -backlight-p-703.html
>>>>> http://www.bigpicturebigsound.com/logitech-harmony-670-1085.shtml
>>>>> https://futurehomesystems.com/pbtsu7000.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>> Most of these links talk of converging devices (mobile phones, PCs and
>>>>> remote controls)
>>>>> and RF remote controls, which can be operated even when the user is
>>> not
>>>>> infront of the HDTV
>>>>> But from usability point of view, is a touchscreen remote control
>>> ,good?
>>>>> Are we just adding more and more functions and making it far
>>>>> more complicated and intimidating for the user?
>>>>> I would like to hear from all the members in this group regarding
>>> deisgn
>>>>> of
>>>>> future remote controls and remote controls with LCD
>>>> screens/touchscreens.
>>>>> Please participate.
>>>>> Thanks and regards,
>>>>> Preeti
>>>>> ________________________________________________________________
>>>>> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
>>>>> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
>>>>> List Guidelines ............ http://beta.ixda.org/guidelines
>>>>> List Help .................. http://beta.ixda.org/help
>>>>> Unsubscribe ................ http://beta.ixda.org/unsubscribe
>>>>> Questions .................. list at ixda.org
>>>>> Home ....................... http://beta.ixda.org
>>>>>
>>>> ________________________________________________________________
>>>> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
>>>> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
>>>> List Guidelines ............ http://beta.ixda.org/guidelines
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> } work: eightshapes.com
>>> } book: communicatingdesign.com
>>> } blog: greenonions.com
>>> } talk: +1 (301) 801-4850
>>> ________________________________________________________________
>>> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> } work: eightshapes.com
>> } book: communicatingdesign.com
>> } blog: greenonions.com
>> } talk: +1 (301) 801-4850
>> ________________________________________________________________
>> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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>
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25 Sep 2007 - 9:03pm
Shaun Bergmann
2007

On 9/25/07, Adriana Tavares <atavares at schematic.com> wrote:
>
> ...
>
As for Shaun's idea of displaying all interaction on the remote display
> (please correct me if I misunderstood), I would say TV is a social
> interaction. The person next to me should also be able to see what I'm
> browsing and selecting, shouldn't her?
>
> I agree with Oleh, they keypad is still crucial for today users.
>
> Nice discussion.
>
> Thanks,
> Adriana

Absolutely. I didn't mean to suggest that the handheld remote would replace
interaction of the big screen that everybody else is looking at, the remote
would simply replicate that display to facilitate a single locus of
attention for whichever user is currently operating it. That person would
not have to keep looking up and away from the remote, because what they are
controlling is displayed ON the remote. The rest of the people in the room
are still focused on the big screen, and watching what he/she is doing.
I see this as a possibility looming closer and closer with some of the new
releases that are hitting the market. Check out AMX's new modero:
http://www.amx.com/newsroom/pressrelease-file.asp?release=2007.9.6.a

If the video feed of whatever device you are currently controlling (dvd,
cable box, Tivo, Kaleidescape etc) is also fed through a video matrix that
can also stream to the handheld, the user would no longer be using a
'remote', as they are staring at the device directly in their hands.
As an aside, I can't believe I spelled 'there' wrong in my last post.
That's one of my pet peeves.

25 Sep 2007 - 11:55pm
PREETI SALUJA
2007

Thank you all for sharing your views and giving insights on this topic!
Alok and Dan...good work done! Thanks ,Will for sharing that article from
boxes and arrows...really useful...
I really liked the AMX's new modero
http://www.amx.com/newsroom/pressrelease-file.asp?release=2007.9.6.a
but I was wondering whether one handed remote control is better than a
remote control which needs to be handed with two hands..??
esp. considering TV vieing to be a leisure activity....
I completely agree to Will and Shaun...that its the overall design that
makes a product usable ..the interface, navigation, physical attributes etc.
What do you have to say about voice activated remote controls, which greatly
reduce the clutter of physical buttons ?http://www.smarthome.com/8068.html
http://www.smarthome.com/8169.html
-preeti

On 9/26/07, Shaun Bergmann <shaunbergmann at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On 9/25/07, Adriana Tavares <atavares at schematic.com> wrote:
> >
> > ...
> >
> As for Shaun's idea of displaying all interaction on the remote display
> > (please correct me if I misunderstood), I would say TV is a social
> > interaction. The person next to me should also be able to see what I'm
> > browsing and selecting, shouldn't her?
> >
> > I agree with Oleh, they keypad is still crucial for today users.
> >
> > Nice discussion.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Adriana
>
>
> Absolutely. I didn't mean to suggest that the handheld remote would
> replace
> interaction of the big screen that everybody else is looking at, the
> remote
> would simply replicate that display to facilitate a single locus of
> attention for whichever user is currently operating it. That person would
> not have to keep looking up and away from the remote, because what they
> are
> controlling is displayed ON the remote. The rest of the people in the
> room
> are still focused on the big screen, and watching what he/she is doing.
> I see this as a possibility looming closer and closer with some of the new
> releases that are hitting the market. Check out AMX's new modero:
> http://www.amx.com/newsroom/pressrelease-file.asp?release=2007.9.6.a
>
> If the video feed of whatever device you are currently controlling (dvd,
> cable box, Tivo, Kaleidescape etc) is also fed through a video matrix that
> can also stream to the handheld, the user would no longer be using a
> 'remote', as they are staring at the device directly in their hands.
> As an aside, I can't believe I spelled 'there' wrong in my last post.
> That's one of my pet peeves.
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26 Sep 2007 - 12:37pm
Christian Sosa-Lanz
2006

This conversation is so far beyond what actually happens in typical
remote control companies. I used to work for one of the biggest
players in the remote business. Sony, Philips, Cable companies,
One4All all get their chips from this one company. While they
dedicate and pride themselves on acquiring the largest library of
signals to control all devices they spend no time mapping they keys
to the device. In other-words, the remote is designed without even
knowing the device.

But even if they had the device in the room, it would not solve the
usability issues we all face. In my opinion, devices need to find a
way to converge. Either by developing a cable interface by which the
devices can talk to each other or a new device the manages all
devices, ala AppleTV+device hub. When a guest wants to watch a DVD,
it is nearly impossible for them to figure it out alone because the
TV doesn't know when the DVD is on, the remote doesn't know when a
disc is in the player etc etc.

An LCD remote can help and/or hurt, but it will not solve the issue
on it's own.

P.S. Dan, you'll need to pay royalties for that design of yours.
Having a trigger button is actually patented. Crazy, I know.

Christian Sosa-Lanz

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