conferencing software - interactive prototyping

7 Jul 2004 - 5:46pm
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Dave Collins
2004

Cross-posting apologies.

What would be a good solution for lo-fi prototyping while in a phone
conference?

I'd like something that
- those at the other end of the phone can see changes as I make
them
- simply draws boxes and text, nothing hugely fancy - fast, simple
is key
- allows easy hyperlinking objects
- could export to some sort of flat document that explicitly
itemizes all the implicit linking (i.e. screen shots are kind of useless
without being able to see the underlying branching)

I'm *not* looking for:
- fancy *video* conferencing s/w
- something that only allows annotating (I need to change it
on-the-fly and it needs to be interactive)

Ideas?

Dave Collins
User Interface Design
Phoenix Interactive
300 Wellington Street
London ON, N6B 3P2
V: 519.679.2913 x292
F: 519.679.6773
E: dcollins at phoenix-interactive.com

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7 Jul 2004 - 6:49pm
Dave Collins
2004

>One handy live-editing tool I've used quite a bit is SubEthaEdit. The
caveats however are that it a) runs on only on Mac OS X and b) is text
only currently. The nice thing though is that everyone can be editing
the same document simultaneously over the internet. Perhaps there is
something similar for Windows?

To clarify:

1] Yeah, it'd have to be Windows.

2] Only one person needs to edit. The rest will be passive.

I mean, theoretically I could do something say, in HTML, and upload it
to a Webpage and have everyone continually hitting refresh... but that's
clunky for several reasons.

Dave

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7 Jul 2004 - 6:18pm
Zachary Benz
2004

Dave,

One handy live-editing tool I¹ve used quite a bit is SubEthaEdit. The
caveats however are that it a) runs on only on Mac OS X and b) is text only
currently. The nice thing though is that everyone can be editing the same
document simultaneously over the internet. Perhaps there is something
similar for Windows?

Regards,
-Zach

From: Dave Collins <DCollins at phoenix-interactive.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:46:50 -0400
To: sigia l <sigia-l at mail.asis.org>, <discuss at interactiondesigners.com>,
<AIGAExperienceDesign-subscribe at yahoogroups.com>
Subject: [ID Discuss] conferencing software - interactive prototyping

Cross-posting apologies.

What would be a good solution for lo-fi prototyping while in a phone
conference?

I¹d like something that

- those at the other end of the phone can see changes as I make them
- simply draws boxes and text, nothing hugely fancy - fast, simple is
key
- allows easy hyperlinking objects
- could export to some sort of flat document that explicitly itemizes
all the implicit linking (i.e. screen shots are kind of useless without
being able to see the underlying branching)

I¹m *not* looking for:

- fancy *video* conferencing s/w
- something that only allows annotating (I need to change it
on-the-fly and it needs to be interactive)

Ideas?

Dave Collins

User Interface Design

Phoenix Interactive

300 Wellington Street

London ON, N6B 3P2

V: 519.679.2913 x292

F: 519.679.6773

E: dcollins at phoenix-interactive.com
<mailto:dcollins at phoenix-interactive.com>

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8 Jul 2004 - 7:30am
Navneet Nair
2004

What about VNC?

http://www.realvnc.com/

Cheers
Navneet

> From: Dave Collins <DCollins at phoenix-interactive.com>
> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:46:50 -0400
> To: sigia l <sigia-l at mail.asis.org>,
> <discuss at interactiondesigners.com>,
> <AIGAExperienceDesign-subscribe at yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [ID Discuss] conferencing software - interactive prototyping
>
> Cross-posting apologies.
>
> What would be a good solution for lo-fi prototyping while in a phone
> conference?
>
> I¹d like something that
>
> - those at the other end of the phone can see changes as I make
> them
> - simply draws boxes and text, nothing hugely fancy - fast, simple
> is
> key
> - allows easy hyperlinking objects
> - could export to some sort of flat document that explicitly
> itemizes
> all the implicit linking (i.e. screen shots are kind of useless
> without
> being able to see the underlying branching)
>
> I¹m *not* looking for:
>
> - fancy *video* conferencing s/w
> - something that only allows annotating (I need to change it
> on-the-fly and it needs to be interactive)
>
>

Navneet Nair
Interaction Architect
http://www.onclipevent.com
form follows function();
Blog: http://www.onclipevent.com/enterframe/

8 Jul 2004 - 7:38am
Dave Collins
2004

Oh yeah, and I guess the other requirement is that I don't have to do anything funny to everybody else's system - like installing software (unless it's super-easy like a plug-in that they can download online.) Client swill be very reluctant to mess with their systems just for us.

Dave Collins
User Interface Design
Phoenix Interactive
300 Wellington Street
London ON, N6B 3P2
V: 519.679.2913 x292
F: 519.679.6773
E: dcollins at phoenix-interactive.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Navneet Nair [mailto:nav at onclipevent.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:30 AM
To: discuss at interactiondesigners.com
Cc: Dave Collins
Subject: Re: [ID Discuss] conferencing software - interactive prototyping

What about VNC?

http://www.realvnc.com/

Cheers
Navneet

> From: Dave Collins <DCollins at phoenix-interactive.com>
> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:46:50 -0400
> To: sigia l <sigia-l at mail.asis.org>,
> <discuss at interactiondesigners.com>,
> <AIGAExperienceDesign-subscribe at yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [ID Discuss] conferencing software - interactive prototyping
>
> Cross-posting apologies.
>
> What would be a good solution for lo-fi prototyping while in a phone
> conference?
>
> I¹d like something that
>
> - those at the other end of the phone can see changes as I make
> them
> - simply draws boxes and text, nothing hugely fancy - fast, simple
> is
> key
> - allows easy hyperlinking objects
> - could export to some sort of flat document that explicitly
> itemizes
> all the implicit linking (i.e. screen shots are kind of useless
> without
> being able to see the underlying branching)
>
> I¹m *not* looking for:
>
> - fancy *video* conferencing s/w
> - something that only allows annotating (I need to change it
> on-the-fly and it needs to be interactive)
>
>

Navneet Nair
Interaction Architect
http://www.onclipevent.com
form follows function();
Blog: http://www.onclipevent.com/enterframe/

8 Jul 2004 - 7:45am
Navneet Nair
2004

Quoting Dave Collins <DCollins at phoenix-interactive.com>:

> Oh yeah, and I guess the other requirement is that I don't have to do
> anything funny to everybody else's system - like installing software
> (unless it's super-easy like a plug-in that they can download online.)
> Client swill be very reluctant to mess with their systems just for us.

The VNC viewer is a plugin, that the client can use to modify files on your
machine. You will need to install the server on your machine though...

but yes, you really would wish to be careful about your security requirements.
Other options are conferencing solutions like Macromedia's Breeze Live and
Convoq's ASAP (http://www.reinvigorate.net/system) ASAP feature list
mentions 'shared files' not sure what that means tho...

HTH
Navneet

8 Jul 2004 - 7:52am
Pete Gordon - U...
2004

On the VNC and screen sharing... You really can't get the easy to use
impromptu screen sharing across the internet without a third-party
service to reliably get you through firewalls. (that is, without
running the risk of a network configuration issues)

how 'bout these options...

Glance.Net
GoToMyPC
Placeware (now Microsoft LiveMeeting)
WebEx

Pete Gordon

Users First - VisualMark Portable User Research
"Capture and Communicate User Experience"
www.usersfirst.com

On Jul 8, 2004, at 8:38 AM, Dave Collins wrote:

> Oh yeah, and I guess the other requirement is that I don't have to do
> anything funny to everybody else's system - like installing software
> (unless it's super-easy like a plug-in that they can download online.)
> Client swill be very reluctant to mess with their systems just for us.
>
> Dave Collins
> User Interface Design
> Phoenix Interactive
> 300 Wellington Street
> London ON, N6B 3P2
> V: 519.679.2913 x292
> F: 519.679.6773
> E: dcollins at phoenix-interactive.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Navneet Nair [mailto:nav at onclipevent.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:30 AM
> To: discuss at interactiondesigners.com
> Cc: Dave Collins
> Subject: Re: [ID Discuss] conferencing software - interactive
> prototyping
>
>
> What about VNC?
>
> http://www.realvnc.com/
>
> Cheers
> Navneet
>
>
>> From: Dave Collins <DCollins at phoenix-interactive.com>
>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:46:50 -0400
>> To: sigia l <sigia-l at mail.asis.org>,
>> <discuss at interactiondesigners.com>,
>> <AIGAExperienceDesign-subscribe at yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: [ID Discuss] conferencing software - interactive prototyping
>>
>> Cross-posting apologies.
>>
>> What would be a good solution for lo-fi prototyping while in a phone
>> conference?
>>
>> I¹d like something that
>>
>> - those at the other end of the phone can see changes as I make
>> them
>> - simply draws boxes and text, nothing hugely fancy - fast,
>> simple
>> is
>> key
>> - allows easy hyperlinking objects
>> - could export to some sort of flat document that explicitly
>> itemizes
>> all the implicit linking (i.e. screen shots are kind of useless
>> without
>> being able to see the underlying branching)
>>
>> I¹m *not* looking for:
>>
>> - fancy *video* conferencing s/w
>> - something that only allows annotating (I need to change it
>> on-the-fly and it needs to be interactive)
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> Navneet Nair
> Interaction Architect
> http://www.onclipevent.com
> form follows function();
> Blog: http://www.onclipevent.com/enterframe/
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8 Jul 2004 - 8:00am
Dave Malouf
2005

Conference software that I have learned to like and is free for a 1on1
experience is Raindance (www.raindance.com). Nice interface good features.

Another option that seems to work w/ some office files is Groove. I know it
words w/ PowerPoint and might even work with Visio files. I think it is also
free with limited capabilities.

-- dave

-----Original Message-----
From:
discuss-interactiondesigners.com-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
[mailto:discuss-interactiondesigners.com-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.
com] On Behalf Of Pete Gordon
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:52 AM
To: Dave Collins
Cc: discuss at interactiondesigners.com
Subject: Re: [ID Discuss] conferencing software - interactive prototyping

On the VNC and screen sharing... You really can't get the easy to use
impromptu screen sharing across the internet without a third-party service
to reliably get you through firewalls. (that is, without running the risk
of a network configuration issues)

how 'bout these options...

Glance.Net
GoToMyPC
Placeware (now Microsoft LiveMeeting)
WebEx

Pete Gordon

Users First - VisualMark Portable User Research "Capture and Communicate
User Experience"
www.usersfirst.com

On Jul 8, 2004, at 8:38 AM, Dave Collins wrote:

> Oh yeah, and I guess the other requirement is that I don't have to do
> anything funny to everybody else's system - like installing software
> (unless it's super-easy like a plug-in that they can download online.)
> Client swill be very reluctant to mess with their systems just for us.
>
> Dave Collins
> User Interface Design
> Phoenix Interactive
> 300 Wellington Street
> London ON, N6B 3P2
> V: 519.679.2913 x292
> F: 519.679.6773
> E: dcollins at phoenix-interactive.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Navneet Nair [mailto:nav at onclipevent.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 8:30 AM
> To: discuss at interactiondesigners.com
> Cc: Dave Collins
> Subject: Re: [ID Discuss] conferencing software - interactive
> prototyping
>
>
> What about VNC?
>
> http://www.realvnc.com/
>
> Cheers
> Navneet
>
>
>> From: Dave Collins <DCollins at phoenix-interactive.com>
>> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 18:46:50 -0400
>> To: sigia l <sigia-l at mail.asis.org>,
>> <discuss at interactiondesigners.com>,
>> <AIGAExperienceDesign-subscribe at yahoogroups.com>
>> Subject: [ID Discuss] conferencing software - interactive prototyping
>>
>> Cross-posting apologies.
>>
>> What would be a good solution for lo-fi prototyping while in a phone
>> conference?
>>
>> I¹d like something that
>>
>> - those at the other end of the phone can see changes as I make
>> them
>> - simply draws boxes and text, nothing hugely fancy - fast,
>> simple
>> is
>> key
>> - allows easy hyperlinking objects
>> - could export to some sort of flat document that explicitly
>> itemizes
>> all the implicit linking (i.e. screen shots are kind of useless
>> without being able to see the underlying branching)
>>
>> I¹m *not* looking for:
>>
>> - fancy *video* conferencing s/w
>> - something that only allows annotating (I need to change it
>> on-the-fly and it needs to be interactive)
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
> Navneet Nair
> Interaction Architect
> http://www.onclipevent.com
> form follows function();
> Blog: http://www.onclipevent.com/enterframe/
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8 Jul 2004 - 8:10am
Todd Warfel
2003

An other option will be Apple's free iChat (three- way video
conferencing, 10-way audio conferencing). However, that won't be
available until Panther, which is next year
http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/ichat.html.

Anyone know if Yahoo Chat can do the same/similar thing? I know it
supports video cams like the iSight.

On Jul 8, 2004, at 9:00 AM, David Heller wrote:

> Conference software that I have learned to like and is free for a 1on1
> experience is Raindance (www.raindance.com). Nice interface good
> features.
>
> Another option that seems to work w/ some office files is Groove. I
> know it
> words w/ PowerPoint and might even work with Visio files. I think it
> is also
> free with limited capabilities.
>
> -- dave

Cheers!

Todd R. Warfel
User Experience Architect
MessageFirst | making products easier to use
--------------------------------------
Contact Info
voice: (607) 339-9640
email: twarfel at messagefirst.com
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aim: twarfel at mac.com
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8 Jul 2004 - 8:14am
Dave Malouf
2005

Since the requirement was for Windows, I would also throw out there just
NetMeeting or the full and latest versions of MSN Messenger. Both have a lot
of conferencing capabilities.

-- dave

_____

From:
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[mailto:discuss-interactiondesigners.com-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.
com] On Behalf Of Todd R.Warfel
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2004 9:10 AM
To: Interaction Designers
Subject: Re: [ID Discuss] conferencing software - interactive prototyping

An other option will be Apple's free iChat (three- way video conferencing,
10-way audio conferencing). However, that won't be available until Panther,
which is next year http://www.apple.com/macosx/tiger/ichat.html.

Anyone know if Yahoo Chat can do the same/similar thing? I know it supports
video cams like the iSight.

On Jul 8, 2004, at 9:00 AM, David Heller wrote:

Conference software that I have learned to like and is free for a 1on1
experience is Raindance (www.raindance.com). Nice interface good features.

Another option that seems to work w/ some office files is Groove. I know it
words w/ PowerPoint and might even work with Visio files. I think it is also
free with limited capabilities.

-- dave

Cheers!

Todd R. Warfel
User Experience Architect
MessageFirst | making products easier to use
--------------------------------------
Contact Info
voice: (607) 339-9640
email: twarfel at messagefirst.com
web: www.messagefirst.com
aim: twarfel at mac.com
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In practice, they are not.

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8 Jul 2004 - 8:22am
Todd Warfel
2003

Both of which also work on the Mac - so, these would make good
cross-platform possibilities.

One quick note about NetMeeting - you can view from a Mac, but you
cannot upload files, or run the NetMeeting from Mac.

On Jul 8, 2004, at 9:14 AM, David Heller wrote:

> [...] I would also throw out there just NetMeeting or the full and
> latest versions of MSN Messenger.

Cheers!

Todd R. Warfel
User Experience Architect
MessageFirst | making products easier to use
--------------------------------------
Contact Info
voice: (607) 339-9640
email: twarfel at messagefirst.com
web: www.messagefirst.com
aim: twarfel at mac.com
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8 Jul 2004 - 8:05pm
pabini
2004

Hi Pete

Pete Gordon wrote:
On the VNC and screen sharing... You really can't get the easy to use
impromptu screen sharing across the internet without a third-party
service to reliably get you through firewalls. (that is, without
running the risk of a network configuration issues)

***[PGP] You're right about that.

how 'bout these options...

Glance.Net
GoToMyPC
Placeware (now Microsoft LiveMeeting)
WebEx

***[PGP] I designed the WebEx user interfaces. It's very powerful software
and their screen-sharing technology is better than that of most conferencing
software. They don't use screen-scraping as most do, so there's better
interactivity. Their service is expensive though. When I was there, I tried
to encourage them to develop a good business model for small businesses, but
at that time, two years ago, I'm afraid they weren't very receptive. I don't
know much about how things have developed since I left.

Pabini
________________________________________

Pabini Gabriel-Petit
Principal & User Experience Architect
Spirit Softworks
www.spiritsoftworks.com

8 Jul 2004 - 8:25pm
Pete Gordon - U...
2004

This one is free for 1to1 usage, http://www.shareitnow.com/. I haven't
used it before. I would like to know if anyone has ever used it, and
what they think.

Thanks,
Pete Gordon

Users First - VisualMark Portable User Research
"Capture and Communicate User Experience"
www.usersfirst.com

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