Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??

5 Jul 2007 - 2:34pm
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Hooman Anvar
2006

Hope everyone had a nice holiday...

Today I talked to a recruiter that is looking for visual
designer/interaction designer combo. Not really my cup of tea. But in our
conversation he said the following:

1. There is a severe shortage of interaction designers

2. IDs are charging between $150 to $250 per hour for contracts and easily
getting picked up for projects

Are you seeing this same trend out there?

Cheers,
-Hooman

www.HoomanAnvar.com

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5 Jul 2007 - 2:50pm
tdellaringa
2006

On 7/5/07, Hooman Anvar <hanvar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Today I talked to a recruiter that is looking for visual
> designer/interaction designer combo. Not really my cup of tea. But in our
> conversation he said the following:
>
> 1. There is a severe shortage of interaction designers
>
> 2. IDs are charging between $150 to $250 per hour for contracts and easily
> getting picked up for projects
>
> Are you seeing this same trend out there?

Hooman,

I just changed jobs, and I was listed as an Interaction Designer here in the
Chicago market. There were a lot of contract opportunities for IA/IDs, and
still seem to be, but with widely ranging descriptions and expectations. I
don't know if I would agree with a shortage, but I think it does seem as
though there are not that many *experienced* IDs out there with track
records.

I ended up taking a Usability Engineer position - although there is not one
IA or ID here (so I am essentially the UX team). I know that here it took
them awhile to fill the position, and my boss said he screened a lot of
people out over the phone and didn't even interview them.

As far as those rates - wow they seem high. It probably depends on the
market though. I was hearing 60-75/hour for a lot of contracts around here
(although I wanted full time and held out for it). $250 seems nuts, but
maybe with the right job/client. I turned down a few calls/emails for people
lowballing too, not sure how that figures in (like 40-50/hr).

That was my experience anyway. HTH.

Tom

5 Jul 2007 - 2:56pm
Wendy Fischer
2004

I think rates are higher, but more in the $70-100 range, as opposed to $40-60 in 2003 for a senior designer in the SF bay area.

I am still seeing lowball rates, I saw $35 the other day in an email for something in Richardson, Texas; I chuckled.

Between $150-250 seems excessive for an individual interaction designer. I can see a very good design agency charging this much but an individual freelance interaction designer, no.

-Wendy

----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Dell'Aringa <pixelmech at gmail.com>
To: Hooman Anvar <hanvar at yahoo.com>
Cc: discuss at lists.interactiondesigners.com
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2007 12:50:41 PM
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??

On 7/5/07, Hooman Anvar <hanvar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Today I talked to a recruiter that is looking for visual
> designer/interaction designer combo. Not really my cup of tea. But in our
> conversation he said the following:
>
> 1. There is a severe shortage of interaction designers
>
> 2. IDs are charging between $150 to $250 per hour for contracts and easily
> getting picked up for projects
>
> Are you seeing this same trend out there?

Hooman,

I just changed jobs, and I was listed as an Interaction Designer here in the
Chicago market. There were a lot of contract opportunities for IA/IDs, and
still seem to be, but with widely ranging descriptions and expectations. I
don't know if I would agree with a shortage, but I think it does seem as
though there are not that many *experienced* IDs out there with track
records.

I ended up taking a Usability Engineer position - although there is not one
IA or ID here (so I am essentially the UX team). I know that here it took
them awhile to fill the position, and my boss said he screened a lot of
people out over the phone and didn't even interview them.

As far as those rates - wow they seem high. It probably depends on the
market though. I was hearing 60-75/hour for a lot of contracts around here
(although I wanted full time and held out for it). $250 seems nuts, but
maybe with the right job/client. I turned down a few calls/emails for people
lowballing too, not sure how that figures in (like 40-50/hr).

That was my experience anyway. HTH.

Tom
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5 Jul 2007 - 3:07pm
Hooman Anvar
2006

Hmmm. Seems like most of the agencies are easily billing over $200 if not
$350 for experienced designers.

_____

From: erpdesigner [mailto:erpdesigner at yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:57 PM
To: Tom Dell'Aringa; Hooman Anvar
Cc: discuss at lists.interactiondesigners.com
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??

I think rates are higher, but more in the $70-100 range, as opposed to
$40-60 in 2003 for a senior designer in the SF bay area.

I am still seeing lowball rates, I saw $35 the other day in an email for
something in Richardson, Texas; I chuckled.

Between $150-250 seems excessive for an individual interaction designer. I
can see a very good design agency charging this much but an individual
freelance interaction designer, no.

-Wendy

----- Original Message ----
From: Tom Dell'Aringa <pixelmech at gmail.com>
To: Hooman Anvar <hanvar at yahoo.com>
Cc: discuss at lists.interactiondesigners.com
Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2007 12:50:41 PM
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??

On 7/5/07, Hooman Anvar <hanvar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Today I talked to a recruiter that is looking for visual
> designer/interaction designer combo. Not really my cup of tea. But in our
> conversation he said the following:
>
> 1. There is a severe shortage of interaction designers
>
> 2. IDs are charging between $150 to $250 per hour for contracts and easily
> getting picked up for projects
>
> Are you seeing this same trend out there?

Hooman,

I just changed jobs, and I was listed as an Interaction Designer here in the
Chicago market. There were a lot of contract opportunities for IA/IDs, and
still seem to be, but with widely ranging descriptions and expectations. I
don't know if I would agree with a shortage, but I think it does seem as
though there are not that many *experienced* IDs out there with track
records.

I ended up taking a Usability Engineer position - although there is not one
IA or ID here (so I am essentially the UX team). I know that here it took
them awhile to fill the position, and my boss said he screened a lot of
people out over the phone and didn't even interview them.

As far as those rates - wow they seem high. It probably depends on the
market though. I was hearing 60-75/hour for a lot of contracts around here
(although I wanted full time and held out for it). $250 seems nuts, but
maybe with the right job/client. I turned down a few calls/emails for people
lowballing too, not sure how that figures in (like 40-50/hr).

That was my experience anyway. HTH.

Tom
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5 Jul 2007 - 3:10pm
Katie Albers
2005

No, not really seeing that. I'm still dealing with
"Interaction Design? What's that? Is that like a
product manager?" (that's actually one of the closest
comparisons I've heard) so...

who is this recruiter and how do I get in touch with
him :)

Katie

--- Hooman Anvar <hanvar at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hope everyone had a nice holiday...
>
> Today I talked to a recruiter that is looking for
> visual
> designer/interaction designer combo. Not really my
> cup of tea. But in our
> conversation he said the following:
>
> 1. There is a severe shortage of interaction
> designers
>
> 2. IDs are charging between $150 to $250 per hour
> for contracts and easily
> getting picked up for projects
>
> Are you seeing this same trend out there?
>
> Cheers,
> -Hooman
>
> www.HoomanAnvar.com
>
>
>
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5 Jul 2007 - 3:12pm
Anne Hjortshoj
2007

Yeah, those are -agencies-. The designer probably doesn't see more
than 40% of that fee.

-Anne

On 7/5/07, Hooman Anvar <hanvar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hmmm. Seems like most of the agencies are easily billing over $200 if not
> $350 for experienced designers.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: erpdesigner [mailto:erpdesigner at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:57 PM
> To: Tom Dell'Aringa; Hooman Anvar
> Cc: discuss at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??
>
>
>
> I think rates are higher, but more in the $70-100 range, as opposed to
> $40-60 in 2003 for a senior designer in the SF bay area.
>
> I am still seeing lowball rates, I saw $35 the other day in an email for
> something in Richardson, Texas; I chuckled.
>
> Between $150-250 seems excessive for an individual interaction designer. I
> can see a very good design agency charging this much but an individual
> freelance interaction designer, no.
>
> -Wendy
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tom Dell'Aringa <pixelmech at gmail.com>
> To: Hooman Anvar <hanvar at yahoo.com>
> Cc: discuss at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2007 12:50:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??
>
> On 7/5/07, Hooman Anvar <hanvar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Today I talked to a recruiter that is looking for visual
> > designer/interaction designer combo. Not really my cup of tea. But in our
> > conversation he said the following:
> >
> > 1. There is a severe shortage of interaction designers
> >
> > 2. IDs are charging between $150 to $250 per hour for contracts and easily
> > getting picked up for projects
> >
> > Are you seeing this same trend out there?
>
>
> Hooman,
>
> I just changed jobs, and I was listed as an Interaction Designer here in the
> Chicago market. There were a lot of contract opportunities for IA/IDs, and
> still seem to be, but with widely ranging descriptions and expectations. I
> don't know if I would agree with a shortage, but I think it does seem as
> though there are not that many *experienced* IDs out there with track
> records.
>
> I ended up taking a Usability Engineer position - although there is not one
> IA or ID here (so I am essentially the UX team). I know that here it took
> them awhile to fill the position, and my boss said he screened a lot of
> people out over the phone and didn't even interview them.
>
> As far as those rates - wow they seem high. It probably depends on the
> market though. I was hearing 60-75/hour for a lot of contracts around here
> (although I wanted full time and held out for it). $250 seems nuts, but
> maybe with the right job/client. I turned down a few calls/emails for people
> lowballing too, not sure how that figures in (like 40-50/hr).
>
> That was my experience anyway. HTH.
>
> Tom
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5 Jul 2007 - 3:13pm
Ari
2006

agencies are notorious for inflating their rates.

what they bill is very different from what they pay *most* employees!

On 7/5/07, Hooman Anvar <hanvar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hmmm. Seems like most of the agencies are easily billing over $200 if not
> $350 for experienced designers.
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: erpdesigner [mailto:erpdesigner at yahoo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 12:57 PM
> To: Tom Dell'Aringa; Hooman Anvar
> Cc: discuss at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??
>
>
>
> I think rates are higher, but more in the $70-100 range, as opposed to
> $40-60 in 2003 for a senior designer in the SF bay area.
>
> I am still seeing lowball rates, I saw $35 the other day in an email for
> something in Richardson, Texas; I chuckled.
>
> Between $150-250 seems excessive for an individual interaction designer. I
> can see a very good design agency charging this much but an individual
> freelance interaction designer, no.
>
> -Wendy
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tom Dell'Aringa <pixelmech at gmail.com>
> To: Hooman Anvar <hanvar at yahoo.com>
> Cc: discuss at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> Sent: Thursday, July 5, 2007 12:50:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??
>
> On 7/5/07, Hooman Anvar <hanvar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Today I talked to a recruiter that is looking for visual
> > designer/interaction designer combo. Not really my cup of tea. But in our
> > conversation he said the following:
> >
> > 1. There is a severe shortage of interaction designers
> >
> > 2. IDs are charging between $150 to $250 per hour for contracts and easily
> > getting picked up for projects
> >
> > Are you seeing this same trend out there?
>
>
> Hooman,
>
> I just changed jobs, and I was listed as an Interaction Designer here in the
> Chicago market. There were a lot of contract opportunities for IA/IDs, and
> still seem to be, but with widely ranging descriptions and expectations. I
> don't know if I would agree with a shortage, but I think it does seem as
> though there are not that many *experienced* IDs out there with track
> records.
>
> I ended up taking a Usability Engineer position - although there is not one
> IA or ID here (so I am essentially the UX team). I know that here it took
> them awhile to fill the position, and my boss said he screened a lot of
> people out over the phone and didn't even interview them.
>
> As far as those rates - wow they seem high. It probably depends on the
> market though. I was hearing 60-75/hour for a lot of contracts around here
> (although I wanted full time and held out for it). $250 seems nuts, but
> maybe with the right job/client. I turned down a few calls/emails for people
> lowballing too, not sure how that figures in (like 40-50/hr).
>
> That was my experience anyway. HTH.
>
> Tom
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5 Jul 2007 - 3:27pm
tdellaringa
2006

On 7/5/07, Hooman Anvar <hanvar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hmmm. Seems like most of the agencies are easily billing over $200 if not
> $350 for experienced designers…
>
Sign me up for $300/hour. I'll leave my new job and travel anywhere! :)

5 Jul 2007 - 3:21pm
Loren Baxter
2007

These sound like salaries for very experienced designers.

What is standard for more entry-level Interaction Designers? It's
very hard to find data about starting salaries in the field.

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5 Jul 2007 - 3:42pm
harvinder
2007

We are a design staffing company and I will say for Interaction Designers
the rates will fall some where between $45-$85 for somebody with extremely
high level of experience. Sometimes the agencies just flash the rates which
are extremely high if they are not getting the candidates. Not a good
practice though.

Thanks
Harvinder Singh
www.bestica.com
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-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
[mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of Tom
Dell'Aringa
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:27 PM
To: Hooman Anvar
Cc: discuss at lists.interactiondesigners.com
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??

On 7/5/07, Hooman Anvar <hanvar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hmmm. Seems like most of the agencies are easily billing over $200 if
> not $350 for experienced designers.
>
Sign me up for $300/hour. I'll leave my new job and travel anywhere! :)
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5 Jul 2007 - 3:38pm
Vishal Subraman...
2005

I've seen $45- $75 / hr in New York & D.C areas (not through agencies) for
folks with 1-3 years experience

These sound like salaries for very experienced designers.
>
> What is standard for more entry-level Interaction Designers? It's
> very hard to find data about starting salaries in the field.
>
>

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5 Jul 2007 - 3:39pm
Dan Saffer
2003

I'm seeing more like $80-150 USD, with the average being around
$100-105. In San Francisco. Assuredly there are rockstars who make
more on a contract basis.

Don't confuse agency rates with contract rates!

Dan

5 Jul 2007 - 3:42pm
Vishal Subraman...
2005

And $70-$200 for more experienced people..of course a lot depends on who the
employer & time of contract. Bigger companies and shorter contract rates
tend to be obviously higher.

I've seen $45- $75 / hr in New York & D.C areas (not through agencies) for
> folks with 1-3 years experience
>
> > These sound like salaries for very experienced designers.
> >
> > What is standard for more entry-level Interaction Designers? It's
> > very hard to find data about starting salaries in the field.
> >
> >

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5 Jul 2007 - 3:42pm
Nancy Broden
2005

Well-seasoned, self-employed interaction designers in the Bay Area
can easily charge $90 - $150/hr. The higher end is generally reserved
for people with specialized expertise or knowledge, such as designing
for mobile devices.

Nancy Broden
nancy.broden at gmail.com

On Jul 5, 2007, at 12:50 PM, Tom Dell'Aringa wrote:

>> Today I talked to a recruiter that is looking for visual
>> designer/interaction designer combo. Not really my cup of tea. But
>> in our
>> conversation he said the following:
>>
>> 1. There is a severe shortage of interaction designers
>>
>> 2. IDs are charging between $150 to $250 per hour for contracts
>> and easily
>> getting picked up for projects
>>
>> Are you seeing this same trend out there?

5 Jul 2007 - 3:54pm
russwilson
2005

There seems to be a LOT of disparity with rates. That may be
due to ambiguity with our roles.

If you have an in-house design function/team with an established
process and they just need extra help, (in the form of - "we'll provide
everything, we just need you to churn out the interface design"),
then rates from $35 and up (depending on experience) seem reasonable.

BUT, if (as the contractor or consultant) you are providing much more
than that (product vision, usability, product-line design direction,
etc.)
or working with a company that needs a lot of direction in establishing
a true design function, then I would argue rates are MUCH higher. This
of course also requires a great-deal more experience.

I know of someone (*smile*) with a little over 15yrs of experience that
charges a base consulting rate of $150/hour in Texas and turns away
projects...

-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
[mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of Dan
Saffer
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:40 PM
To: IxDA Discuss
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??

I'm seeing more like $80-150 USD, with the average being around
$100-105. In San Francisco. Assuredly there are rockstars who make
more on a contract basis.

Don't confuse agency rates with contract rates!

Dan

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5 Jul 2007 - 4:03pm
Anne Hjortshoj
2007

$35/hour works out to about $17.50 an hour if you're paying quarterly
taxes. I can't imagine anyone but a part-timer who does interaction
design work as a second/night job taking a project like that (and even
then, it's probably a waste of time).

/editorial

-Anne

On 7/5/07, Wilson, Russell <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> wrote:
> There seems to be a LOT of disparity with rates. That may be
> due to ambiguity with our roles.
>
> If you have an in-house design function/team with an established
> process and they just need extra help, (in the form of - "we'll provide
> everything, we just need you to churn out the interface design"),
> then rates from $35 and up (depending on experience) seem reasonable.
>
> BUT, if (as the contractor or consultant) you are providing much more
> than that (product vision, usability, product-line design direction,
> etc.)
> or working with a company that needs a lot of direction in establishing
> a true design function, then I would argue rates are MUCH higher. This
> of course also requires a great-deal more experience.
>
> I know of someone (*smile*) with a little over 15yrs of experience that
> charges a base consulting rate of $150/hour in Texas and turns away
> projects...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> Saffer
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:40 PM
> To: IxDA Discuss
> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??
>
> I'm seeing more like $80-150 USD, with the average being around
> $100-105. In San Francisco. Assuredly there are rockstars who make
> more on a contract basis.
>
> Don't confuse agency rates with contract rates!
>
> Dan
>
>
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5 Jul 2007 - 4:08pm
russwilson
2005

Exactly. And most of the people I know who charge under
$60/hour are moonlighting.

At a recent conference a high-profile consultant told me
that you shouldn't even consider consulting if you can't
at least get $125/hour (he charges far above this).

-----Original Message-----
From: Anne Hjortshoj [mailto:anne.hj at gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:03 PM
To: Wilson, Russell
Cc: Dan Saffer; IxDA Discuss
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??

$35/hour works out to about $17.50 an hour if you're paying quarterly
taxes. I can't imagine anyone but a part-timer who does interaction
design work as a second/night job taking a project like that (and even
then, it's probably a waste of time).

/editorial

-Anne

On 7/5/07, Wilson, Russell <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> wrote:
> There seems to be a LOT of disparity with rates. That may be
> due to ambiguity with our roles.
>
> If you have an in-house design function/team with an established
> process and they just need extra help, (in the form of - "we'll
provide
> everything, we just need you to churn out the interface design"),
> then rates from $35 and up (depending on experience) seem reasonable.
>
> BUT, if (as the contractor or consultant) you are providing much more
> than that (product vision, usability, product-line design direction,
> etc.)
> or working with a company that needs a lot of direction in
establishing
> a true design function, then I would argue rates are MUCH higher.
This
> of course also requires a great-deal more experience.
>
> I know of someone (*smile*) with a little over 15yrs of experience
that
> charges a base consulting rate of $150/hour in Texas and turns away
> projects...
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of
Dan
> Saffer
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:40 PM
> To: IxDA Discuss
> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??
>
> I'm seeing more like $80-150 USD, with the average being around
> $100-105. In San Francisco. Assuredly there are rockstars who make
> more on a contract basis.
>
> Don't confuse agency rates with contract rates!
>
> Dan
>
>
> ________________________________________________________________
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5 Jul 2007 - 4:17pm
Vishal Subraman...
2005

I've never contracted, but 50% taxes? Assuming taxes are same as full-time
jobs, 35*40*4*12= 67,200. Doesn't seem too bad to me for a newbie.

On 7/5/07, Anne Hjortshoj <anne.hj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> $35/hour works out to about $17.50 an hour if you're paying quarterly
> taxes. I can't imagine anyone but a part-timer who does interaction
> design work as a second/night job taking a project like that (and even
> then, it's probably a waste of time).
>
> /editorial
>
> -Anne
>
> On 7/5/07, Wilson, Russell <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> wrote:
> > There seems to be a LOT of disparity with rates. That may be
> > due to ambiguity with our roles.
> >
> > If you have an in-house design function/team with an established
> > process and they just need extra help, (in the form of - "we'll provide
> > everything, we just need you to churn out the interface design"),
> > then rates from $35 and up (depending on experience) seem reasonable.
> >
> > BUT, if (as the contractor or consultant) you are providing much more
> > than that (product vision, usability, product-line design direction,
> > etc.)
> > or working with a company that needs a lot of direction in establishing
> > a true design function, then I would argue rates are MUCH higher. This
> > of course also requires a great-deal more experience.
> >
> > I know of someone (*smile*) with a little over 15yrs of experience that
> > charges a base consulting rate of $150/hour in Texas and turns away
> > projects...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> > [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of Dan
> > Saffer
> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:40 PM
> > To: IxDA Discuss
> > Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??
> >
> > I'm seeing more like $80-150 USD, with the average being around
> > $100-105. In San Francisco. Assuredly there are rockstars who make
> > more on a contract basis.
> >
> > Don't confuse agency rates with contract rates!
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> > ________________________________________________________________
> > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
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> >
>
>
> --
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> ________________________________________________________________
> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
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5 Jul 2007 - 4:25pm
Carol J. Smith
2007

Ah - don't forget insurance costs, equipment, software, etc. Costs add up
quickly when you are consulting vs. an employee.

Carol Smith (soon to be a consultant again)

On 7/5/07, Vishal Iyer <vishaliyer1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I've never contracted, but 50% taxes? Assuming taxes are same as full-time
> jobs, 35*40*4*12= 67,200. Doesn't seem too bad to me for a newbie.
>
> On 7/5/07, Anne Hjortshoj <anne.hj at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > $35/hour works out to about $17.50 an hour if you're paying quarterly
> > taxes. I can't imagine anyone but a part-timer who does interaction
> > design work as a second/night job taking a project like that (and even
> > then, it's probably a waste of time).
> >
> > /editorial
> >
> > -Anne
> >
> > On 7/5/07, Wilson, Russell <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> wrote:
> > > There seems to be a LOT of disparity with rates. That may be
> > > due to ambiguity with our roles.
> > >
> > > If you have an in-house design function/team with an established
> > > process and they just need extra help, (in the form of - "we'll
> provide
> > > everything, we just need you to churn out the interface design"),
> > > then rates from $35 and up (depending on experience) seem reasonable.
> > >
> > > BUT, if (as the contractor or consultant) you are providing much more
> > > than that (product vision, usability, product-line design direction,
> > > etc.)
> > > or working with a company that needs a lot of direction in
> establishing
> > > a true design function, then I would argue rates are MUCH
> higher. This
> > > of course also requires a great-deal more experience.
> > >
> > > I know of someone (*smile*) with a little over 15yrs of experience
> that
> > > charges a base consulting rate of $150/hour in Texas and turns away
> > > projects...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> > > [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of
> Dan
> > > Saffer
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:40 PM
> > > To: IxDA Discuss
> > > Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??
> > >
> > > I'm seeing more like $80-150 USD, with the average being around
> > > $100-105. In San Francisco. Assuredly there are rockstars who make
> > > more on a contract basis.
> > >
> > > Don't confuse agency rates with contract rates!
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________________________________________
> > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
> > > List Guidelines ............ http://beta.ixda.org/guidelines
> > > List Help .................. http://beta.ixda.org/help
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> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Anne Hjortshoj | anne.hj at gmail.com | www.annehj.com
> > ________________________________________________________________
> > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
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> >
>
>
>
> --
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> http://www.vishaliyer.com
> ________________________________________________________________
> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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5 Jul 2007 - 4:34pm
Vishal Subraman...
2005

Thats true, but the $35 is the lower end- recent grads etc. Most people move
to the $50-$75 range pretty quickly.

Besides, also depends where you're living. 50K in Sioux falls is a lot
different from the same amount in New York. But for some reason, I've
noticed that companies never entirely compensate for the cost of living. New
York for eg, in many cases has even a lower starting range than some mid
sized cities like Chicgo etc. Thats probably due to the supply/demand
equation.

On 7/5/07, Carol Smith <carologic at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ah - don't forget insurance costs, equipment, software, etc. Costs add up
> quickly when you are consulting vs. an employee.
>
> Carol Smith (soon to be a consultant again)
>
> On 7/5/07, Vishal Iyer <vishaliyer1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I've never contracted, but 50% taxes? Assuming taxes are same as
> > full-time
> > jobs, 35*40*4*12= 67,200. Doesn't seem too bad to me for a newbie.
> >
> > On 7/5/07, Anne Hjortshoj < anne.hj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > $35/hour works out to about $17.50 an hour if you're paying quarterly
> > > taxes. I can't imagine anyone but a part-timer who does interaction
> > > design work as a second/night job taking a project like that (and even
> >
> > > then, it's probably a waste of time).
> > >
> > > /editorial
> > >
> > > -Anne
> > >
> > > On 7/5/07, Wilson, Russell <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> wrote:
> > > > There seems to be a LOT of disparity with rates. That may be
> > > > due to ambiguity with our roles.
> > > >
> > > > If you have an in-house design function/team with an established
> > > > process and they just need extra help, (in the form of - "we'll
> > provide
> > > > everything, we just need you to churn out the interface design"),
> > > > then rates from $35 and up (depending on experience) seem
> > reasonable.
> > > >
> > > > BUT, if (as the contractor or consultant) you are providing much
> > more
> > > > than that (product vision, usability, product-line design direction,
> > > > etc.)
> > > > or working with a company that needs a lot of direction in
> > establishing
> > > > a true design function, then I would argue rates are MUCH
> > higher. This
> > > > of course also requires a great-deal more experience.
> > > >
> > > > I know of someone (*smile*) with a little over 15yrs of experience
> > that
> > > > charges a base consulting rate of $150/hour in Texas and turns away
> > > > projects...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> > > > [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of
> > Dan
> > > > Saffer
> > > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:40 PM
> > > > To: IxDA Discuss
> > > > Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr
> > ??
> > > >
> > > > I'm seeing more like $80-150 USD, with the average being around
> > > > $100-105. In San Francisco. Assuredly there are rockstars who make
> > > > more on a contract basis.
> > > >
> > > > Don't confuse agency rates with contract rates!
> > > >
> > > > Dan
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________________________________________
> > > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > > > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
> > > > List Guidelines ............ http://beta.ixda.org/guidelines
> > > > List Help .................. http://beta.ixda.org/help
> > > > Unsubscribe ................ http://beta.ixda.org/unsubscribe
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> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Anne Hjortshoj | anne.hj at gmail.com | www.annehj.com
> > > ________________________________________________________________
> > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
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> > > List Help .................. http://beta.ixda.org/help
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> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > -Vishal
> > http://www.vishaliyer.com
> > ________________________________________________________________
> > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
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>
>

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5 Jul 2007 - 4:36pm
Honor Gunday
2007

What about Product Management combined with UI/Interaction Design without
doing the actual design?
Does anybody know ongoing rates for that in the Bay Area?

On 7/5/07, Vishal Iyer <vishaliyer1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thats true, but the $35 is the lower end- recent grads etc. Most people
> move
> to the $50-$75 range pretty quickly.
>
> Besides, also depends where you're living. 50K in Sioux falls is a lot
> different from the same amount in New York. But for some reason, I've
> noticed that companies never entirely compensate for the cost of living.
> New
> York for eg, in many cases has even a lower starting range than some mid
> sized cities like Chicgo etc. Thats probably due to the supply/demand
> equation.
>
> On 7/5/07, Carol Smith <carologic at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ah - don't forget insurance costs, equipment, software, etc. Costs add
> up
> > quickly when you are consulting vs. an employee.
> >
> > Carol Smith (soon to be a consultant again)
> >
> > On 7/5/07, Vishal Iyer <vishaliyer1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've never contracted, but 50% taxes? Assuming taxes are same as
> > > full-time
> > > jobs, 35*40*4*12= 67,200. Doesn't seem too bad to me for a newbie.
> > >
> > > On 7/5/07, Anne Hjortshoj < anne.hj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > $35/hour works out to about $17.50 an hour if you're paying
> quarterly
> > > > taxes. I can't imagine anyone but a part-timer who does interaction
> > > > design work as a second/night job taking a project like that (and
> even
> > >
> > > > then, it's probably a waste of time).
> > > >
> > > > /editorial
> > > >
> > > > -Anne
> > > >
> > > > On 7/5/07, Wilson, Russell <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> wrote:
> > > > > There seems to be a LOT of disparity with rates. That may be
> > > > > due to ambiguity with our roles.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have an in-house design function/team with an established
> > > > > process and they just need extra help, (in the form of - "we'll
> > > provide
> > > > > everything, we just need you to churn out the interface design"),
> > > > > then rates from $35 and up (depending on experience) seem
> > > reasonable.
> > > > >
> > > > > BUT, if (as the contractor or consultant) you are providing much
> > > more
> > > > > than that (product vision, usability, product-line design
> direction,
> > > > > etc.)
> > > > > or working with a company that needs a lot of direction in
> > > establishing
> > > > > a true design function, then I would argue rates are MUCH
> > > higher. This
> > > > > of course also requires a great-deal more experience.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know of someone (*smile*) with a little over 15yrs of experience
> > > that
> > > > > charges a base consulting rate of $150/hour in Texas and turns
> away
> > > > > projects...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> > > > > [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf
> Of
> > > Dan
> > > > > Saffer
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:40 PM
> > > > > To: IxDA Discuss
> > > > > Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr
> > > ??
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm seeing more like $80-150 USD, with the average being around
> > > > > $100-105. In San Francisco. Assuredly there are rockstars who make
> > > > > more on a contract basis.
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't confuse agency rates with contract rates!
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ________________________________________________________________
> > > > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > > > > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
> > > > > List Guidelines ............ http://beta.ixda.org/guidelines
> > > > > List Help .................. http://beta.ixda.org/help
> > > > > Unsubscribe ................ http://beta.ixda.org/unsubscribe
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> > > > > Home ....................... http://beta.ixda.org
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> > > > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > > > > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
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> > > > > List Help .................. http://beta.ixda.org/help
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> > > > > Home ....................... http://beta.ixda.org
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Anne Hjortshoj | anne.hj at gmail.com | www.annehj.com
> > > > ________________________________________________________________
> > > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > > > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
> > > > List Guidelines ............ http://beta.ixda.org/guidelines
> > > > List Help .................. http://beta.ixda.org/help
> > > > Unsubscribe ................ http://beta.ixda.org/unsubscribe
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> > > > Home ....................... http://beta.ixda.org
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -Vishal
> > > http://www.vishaliyer.com
> > > ________________________________________________________________
> > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
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> > > List Help .................. http://beta.ixda.org/help
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> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> -Vishal
> http://www.vishaliyer.com
> ________________________________________________________________
> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
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5 Jul 2007 - 4:41pm
russwilson
2005

PM + Design - actual design = PM, right?

-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
[mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of
honor gunday
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:37 PM
To: Vishal Iyer
Cc: IxDA Discuss
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??

What about Product Management combined with UI/Interaction Design
without
doing the actual design?
Does anybody know ongoing rates for that in the Bay Area?

On 7/5/07, Vishal Iyer <vishaliyer1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thats true, but the $35 is the lower end- recent grads etc. Most
people
> move
> to the $50-$75 range pretty quickly.
>
> Besides, also depends where you're living. 50K in Sioux falls is a lot
> different from the same amount in New York. But for some reason, I've
> noticed that companies never entirely compensate for the cost of
living.
> New
> York for eg, in many cases has even a lower starting range than some
mid
> sized cities like Chicgo etc. Thats probably due to the supply/demand
> equation.
>
> On 7/5/07, Carol Smith <carologic at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ah - don't forget insurance costs, equipment, software, etc. Costs
add
> up
> > quickly when you are consulting vs. an employee.
> >
> > Carol Smith (soon to be a consultant again)
> >
> > On 7/5/07, Vishal Iyer <vishaliyer1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I've never contracted, but 50% taxes? Assuming taxes are same as
> > > full-time
> > > jobs, 35*40*4*12= 67,200. Doesn't seem too bad to me for a newbie.
> > >
> > > On 7/5/07, Anne Hjortshoj < anne.hj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > $35/hour works out to about $17.50 an hour if you're paying
> quarterly
> > > > taxes. I can't imagine anyone but a part-timer who does
interaction
> > > > design work as a second/night job taking a project like that
(and
> even
> > >
> > > > then, it's probably a waste of time).
> > > >
> > > > /editorial
> > > >
> > > > -Anne
> > > >
> > > > On 7/5/07, Wilson, Russell <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> wrote:
> > > > > There seems to be a LOT of disparity with rates. That may be
> > > > > due to ambiguity with our roles.
> > > > >
> > > > > If you have an in-house design function/team with an
established
> > > > > process and they just need extra help, (in the form of -
"we'll
> > > provide
> > > > > everything, we just need you to churn out the interface
design"),
> > > > > then rates from $35 and up (depending on experience) seem
> > > reasonable.
> > > > >
> > > > > BUT, if (as the contractor or consultant) you are providing
much
> > > more
> > > > > than that (product vision, usability, product-line design
> direction,
> > > > > etc.)
> > > > > or working with a company that needs a lot of direction in
> > > establishing
> > > > > a true design function, then I would argue rates are MUCH
> > > higher. This
> > > > > of course also requires a great-deal more experience.
> > > > >
> > > > > I know of someone (*smile*) with a little over 15yrs of
experience
> > > that
> > > > > charges a base consulting rate of $150/hour in Texas and turns
> away
> > > > > projects...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> > > > > [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On
Behalf
> Of
> > > Dan
> > > > > Saffer
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:40 PM
> > > > > To: IxDA Discuss
> > > > > Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 -
$250/hr
> > > ??
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm seeing more like $80-150 USD, with the average being
around
> > > > > $100-105. In San Francisco. Assuredly there are rockstars who
make
> > > > > more on a contract basis.
> > > > >
> > > > > Don't confuse agency rates with contract rates!
> > > > >
> > > > > Dan
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
________________________________________________________________
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5 Jul 2007 - 4:53pm
Honor Gunday
2007

Interaction Design = wire frames, navigation flow, proportion of the
elements, placement of the elements, ajax interaction, usability
Design = creating fancy images, graphics, icons, buttons, picking the
colors, rounded corners
Web design: creating the CSS and HTML based on the Design
PM: managing everything

So (PM)+(ID+D+WD)+(Code+DB)+(Hosting/Scalability/Server Configuration)=
final product

On 7/5/07, Wilson, Russell <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> wrote:
>
> PM + Design - actual design = PM, right?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of
> honor gunday
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:37 PM
> To: Vishal Iyer
> Cc: IxDA Discuss
> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??
>
> What about Product Management combined with UI/Interaction Design
> without
> doing the actual design?
> Does anybody know ongoing rates for that in the Bay Area?
>
>
>
> On 7/5/07, Vishal Iyer <vishaliyer1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thats true, but the $35 is the lower end- recent grads etc. Most
> people
> > move
> > to the $50-$75 range pretty quickly.
> >
> > Besides, also depends where you're living. 50K in Sioux falls is a lot
> > different from the same amount in New York. But for some reason, I've
> > noticed that companies never entirely compensate for the cost of
> living.
> > New
> > York for eg, in many cases has even a lower starting range than some
> mid
> > sized cities like Chicgo etc. Thats probably due to the supply/demand
> > equation.
> >
> > On 7/5/07, Carol Smith <carologic at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ah - don't forget insurance costs, equipment, software, etc. Costs
> add
> > up
> > > quickly when you are consulting vs. an employee.
> > >
> > > Carol Smith (soon to be a consultant again)
> > >
> > > On 7/5/07, Vishal Iyer <vishaliyer1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've never contracted, but 50% taxes? Assuming taxes are same as
> > > > full-time
> > > > jobs, 35*40*4*12= 67,200. Doesn't seem too bad to me for a newbie.
> > > >
> > > > On 7/5/07, Anne Hjortshoj < anne.hj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > $35/hour works out to about $17.50 an hour if you're paying
> > quarterly
> > > > > taxes. I can't imagine anyone but a part-timer who does
> interaction
> > > > > design work as a second/night job taking a project like that
> (and
> > even
> > > >
> > > > > then, it's probably a waste of time).
> > > > >
> > > > > /editorial
> > > > >
> > > > > -Anne
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/5/07, Wilson, Russell <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> wrote:
> > > > > > There seems to be a LOT of disparity with rates. That may be
> > > > > > due to ambiguity with our roles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you have an in-house design function/team with an
> established
> > > > > > process and they just need extra help, (in the form of -
> "we'll
> > > > provide
> > > > > > everything, we just need you to churn out the interface
> design"),
> > > > > > then rates from $35 and up (depending on experience) seem
> > > > reasonable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BUT, if (as the contractor or consultant) you are providing
> much
> > > > more
> > > > > > than that (product vision, usability, product-line design
> > direction,
> > > > > > etc.)
> > > > > > or working with a company that needs a lot of direction in
> > > > establishing
> > > > > > a true design function, then I would argue rates are MUCH
> > > > higher. This
> > > > > > of course also requires a great-deal more experience.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know of someone (*smile*) with a little over 15yrs of
> experience
> > > > that
> > > > > > charges a base consulting rate of $150/hour in Texas and turns
> > away
> > > > > > projects...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> > > > > > [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > Dan
> > > > > > Saffer
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:40 PM
> > > > > > To: IxDA Discuss
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 -
> $250/hr
> > > > ??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm seeing more like $80-150 USD, with the average being
> around
> > > > > > $100-105. In San Francisco. Assuredly there are rockstars who
> make
> > > > > > more on a contract basis.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don't confuse agency rates with contract rates!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> ________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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> > > > > ________________________________________________________________
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > > http://www.vishaliyer.com
> > > > ________________________________________________________________
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> >
> >
> > --
> > -Vishal
> > http://www.vishaliyer.com
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6 Jul 2007 - 12:17am
Manish Govind P...
2006

hmmmm No wonder,the outsourcing model works so fine
for most US companies nowadays. Including UI work. $
150 is unimaginable! If you just know what the usual
outsourcing quote for a designer is, youll be shocked
:-) Dont ask me.Im not telling.

Newbie UI salaries start at less than $1000 a month in
India. And contracts for consultants are mostly for
the whole set of deliverables instead of charging on a
hourly basis. Bad, huh?

$67,200 a year? Gosh! i need to shift base.

Cheers!
Manish Govind Pillewar
Sr. Designer, User Experience
Bangalore, India.

Thanks and Regards
Manish Govind Pillewar
Sr. User Interface Designer-UXD
Bangalore-India

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+91 80 41113967 (Eve.)
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6 Jul 2007 - 8:20am
Phillip Hunter
2006

honor,

Wire frames are a tool for some interaction design, right? I haven't found
them all that useful for speech interaction design nor would I imagine that
device designers use them much. Same with Ajax.

ph

-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
[mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of honor
gunday
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:53 PM
To: Wilson, Russell
Cc: IxDA Discuss
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??

Interaction Design = wire frames, navigation flow, proportion of the
elements, placement of the elements, ajax interaction, usability
Design = creating fancy images, graphics, icons, buttons, picking the
colors, rounded corners
Web design: creating the CSS and HTML based on the Design
PM: managing everything

So (PM)+(ID+D+WD)+(Code+DB)+(Hosting/Scalability/Server Configuration)=
final product

On 7/5/07, Wilson, Russell <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> wrote:
>
> PM + Design - actual design = PM, right?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of
> honor gunday
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:37 PM
> To: Vishal Iyer
> Cc: IxDA Discuss
> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??
>
> What about Product Management combined with UI/Interaction Design
> without
> doing the actual design?
> Does anybody know ongoing rates for that in the Bay Area?
>
>
>
> On 7/5/07, Vishal Iyer <vishaliyer1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thats true, but the $35 is the lower end- recent grads etc. Most
> people
> > move
> > to the $50-$75 range pretty quickly.
> >
> > Besides, also depends where you're living. 50K in Sioux falls is a lot
> > different from the same amount in New York. But for some reason, I've
> > noticed that companies never entirely compensate for the cost of
> living.
> > New
> > York for eg, in many cases has even a lower starting range than some
> mid
> > sized cities like Chicgo etc. Thats probably due to the supply/demand
> > equation.
> >
> > On 7/5/07, Carol Smith <carologic at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ah - don't forget insurance costs, equipment, software, etc. Costs
> add
> > up
> > > quickly when you are consulting vs. an employee.
> > >
> > > Carol Smith (soon to be a consultant again)
> > >
> > > On 7/5/07, Vishal Iyer <vishaliyer1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've never contracted, but 50% taxes? Assuming taxes are same as
> > > > full-time
> > > > jobs, 35*40*4*12= 67,200. Doesn't seem too bad to me for a newbie.
> > > >
> > > > On 7/5/07, Anne Hjortshoj < anne.hj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > $35/hour works out to about $17.50 an hour if you're paying
> > quarterly
> > > > > taxes. I can't imagine anyone but a part-timer who does
> interaction
> > > > > design work as a second/night job taking a project like that
> (and
> > even
> > > >
> > > > > then, it's probably a waste of time).
> > > > >
> > > > > /editorial
> > > > >
> > > > > -Anne
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/5/07, Wilson, Russell <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> wrote:
> > > > > > There seems to be a LOT of disparity with rates. That may be
> > > > > > due to ambiguity with our roles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you have an in-house design function/team with an
> established
> > > > > > process and they just need extra help, (in the form of -
> "we'll
> > > > provide
> > > > > > everything, we just need you to churn out the interface
> design"),
> > > > > > then rates from $35 and up (depending on experience) seem
> > > > reasonable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BUT, if (as the contractor or consultant) you are providing
> much
> > > > more
> > > > > > than that (product vision, usability, product-line design
> > direction,
> > > > > > etc.)
> > > > > > or working with a company that needs a lot of direction in
> > > > establishing
> > > > > > a true design function, then I would argue rates are MUCH
> > > > higher. This
> > > > > > of course also requires a great-deal more experience.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know of someone (*smile*) with a little over 15yrs of
> experience
> > > > that
> > > > > > charges a base consulting rate of $150/hour in Texas and turns
> > away
> > > > > > projects...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> > > > > > [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > Dan
> > > > > > Saffer
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:40 PM
> > > > > > To: IxDA Discuss
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 -
> $250/hr
> > > > ??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm seeing more like $80-150 USD, with the average being
> around
> > > > > > $100-105. In San Francisco. Assuredly there are rockstars who
> make
> > > > > > more on a contract basis.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don't confuse agency rates with contract rates!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> ________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> > > > > > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > > > ________________________________________________________________
> > > > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > > http://www.vishaliyer.com
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> >
> >
> > --
> > -Vishal
> > http://www.vishaliyer.com
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> > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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6 Jul 2007 - 8:37am
.pauric
2006

Manish: "Newbie UI salaries start at less than $1000 a month in
India."

yeah, but you guys got a working healthcare system and dont have to
pay $5 for a coffee.

Its all relative. For anyone stressing about the grass being greener
elsewhere, I highly recommend this TED talk 'Why are we happy, why
arent we happy' by Dan Gilbert.
http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/97

. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
Posted from the new ixda.org
http://beta.ixda.org/discuss?post=17957

6 Jul 2007 - 1:07pm
Lyn Bain
2007

In the Denver metro area (Boulder specifically), everyone with a usability/interaction design background seems to be charging $125-$150/hour and the work is plentiful with companies of all sizes. Those of us who are consulting tend to have a lot of experience. Consultants who focus on just web design, regardless of what they call themselves :-), tend to charge $75-$90/hour.

6 Jul 2007 - 1:52pm
Honor Gunday
2007

Hi Phillip,

I categorized wire frames and ajax under Interaction design, you're right,
it's not applicable to all Interaction Designers. If you're doing Speech
Interaction Design, you wouldn't deal with Ajax obviously either, that's
more for web and mobile (maybe soon). I guess you could also add Flow
Design, Use Case Studies, UML Diagramming to the list for what Interaction
Designers might do. Thanks for pointing out that there are different domains
for Interaction Design.

Honor

On 7/6/07, Phillip Hunter <phillip at speechcycle.com> wrote:
>
> honor,
>
> Wire frames are a tool for some interaction design, right? I haven't
> found
> them all that useful for speech interaction design nor would I imagine
> that
> device designers use them much. Same with Ajax.
>
> ph
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of honor
> gunday
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:53 PM
> To: Wilson, Russell
> Cc: IxDA Discuss
> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??
>
> Interaction Design = wire frames, navigation flow, proportion of the
> elements, placement of the elements, ajax interaction, usability
> Design = creating fancy images, graphics, icons, buttons, picking the
> colors, rounded corners
> Web design: creating the CSS and HTML based on the Design
> PM: managing everything
>
> So (PM)+(ID+D+WD)+(Code+DB)+(Hosting/Scalability/Server Configuration)=
> final product
>
>
>
> On 7/5/07, Wilson, Russell <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> wrote:
> >
> > PM + Design - actual design = PM, right?
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> > [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of
> > honor gunday
> > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:37 PM
> > To: Vishal Iyer
> > Cc: IxDA Discuss
> > Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??
> >
> > What about Product Management combined with UI/Interaction Design
> > without
> > doing the actual design?
> > Does anybody know ongoing rates for that in the Bay Area?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/5/07, Vishal Iyer <vishaliyer1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Thats true, but the $35 is the lower end- recent grads etc. Most
> > people
> > > move
> > > to the $50-$75 range pretty quickly.
> > >
> > > Besides, also depends where you're living. 50K in Sioux falls is a lot
> > > different from the same amount in New York. But for some reason, I've
> > > noticed that companies never entirely compensate for the cost of
> > living.
> > > New
> > > York for eg, in many cases has even a lower starting range than some
> > mid
> > > sized cities like Chicgo etc. Thats probably due to the supply/demand
> > > equation.
> > >
> > > On 7/5/07, Carol Smith <carologic at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ah - don't forget insurance costs, equipment, software, etc. Costs
> > add
> > > up
> > > > quickly when you are consulting vs. an employee.
> > > >
> > > > Carol Smith (soon to be a consultant again)
> > > >
> > > > On 7/5/07, Vishal Iyer <vishaliyer1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > I've never contracted, but 50% taxes? Assuming taxes are same as
> > > > > full-time
> > > > > jobs, 35*40*4*12= 67,200. Doesn't seem too bad to me for a newbie.
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/5/07, Anne Hjortshoj < anne.hj at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > $35/hour works out to about $17.50 an hour if you're paying
> > > quarterly
> > > > > > taxes. I can't imagine anyone but a part-timer who does
> > interaction
> > > > > > design work as a second/night job taking a project like that
> > (and
> > > even
> > > > >
> > > > > > then, it's probably a waste of time).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > /editorial
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -Anne
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 7/5/07, Wilson, Russell <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > There seems to be a LOT of disparity with rates. That may be
> > > > > > > due to ambiguity with our roles.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If you have an in-house design function/team with an
> > established
> > > > > > > process and they just need extra help, (in the form of -
> > "we'll
> > > > > provide
> > > > > > > everything, we just need you to churn out the interface
> > design"),
> > > > > > > then rates from $35 and up (depending on experience) seem
> > > > > reasonable.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > BUT, if (as the contractor or consultant) you are providing
> > much
> > > > > more
> > > > > > > than that (product vision, usability, product-line design
> > > direction,
> > > > > > > etc.)
> > > > > > > or working with a company that needs a lot of direction in
> > > > > establishing
> > > > > > > a true design function, then I would argue rates are MUCH
> > > > > higher. This
> > > > > > > of course also requires a great-deal more experience.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I know of someone (*smile*) with a little over 15yrs of
> > experience
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > charges a base consulting rate of $150/hour in Texas and turns
> > > away
> > > > > > > projects...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> > > > > > > [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On
> > Behalf
> > > Of
> > > > > Dan
> > > > > > > Saffer
> > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:40 PM
> > > > > > > To: IxDA Discuss
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 -
> > $250/hr
> > > > > ??
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm seeing more like $80-150 USD, with the average being
> > around
> > > > > > > $100-105. In San Francisco. Assuredly there are rockstars who
> > make
> > > > > > > more on a contract basis.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Don't confuse agency rates with contract rates!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dan
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > ________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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> > > > > > --
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> > > > > > ________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > -Vishal
> > > > > http://www.vishaliyer.com
> > > > > ________________________________________________________________
> > > > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > -Vishal
> > > http://www.vishaliyer.com
> > > ________________________________________________________________
> > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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9 Jul 2007 - 7:15am
Phillip Hunter
2006

Honor,

To be fair, we do use something we could call our own version of wire frames
to sketch out sample interactions and behaviors prior to full design, but I
do think it's useful in this list to try to make the discussion more
inclusive when appropriate.

ph

_____

From: honor gunday [mailto:honors at gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, July 06, 2007 2:53 PM
To: phillip at speechcycle.com
Cc: IxDA Discuss
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??

Hi Phillip,

I categorized wire frames and ajax under Interaction design, you're right,
it's not applicable to all Interaction Designers. If you're doing Speech
Interaction Design, you wouldn't deal with Ajax obviously either, that's
more for web and mobile (maybe soon). I guess you could also add Flow
Design, Use Case Studies, UML Diagramming to the list for what Interaction
Designers might do. Thanks for pointing out that there are different domains
for Interaction Design.

Honor

On 7/6/07, Phillip Hunter <phillip at speechcycle.com> wrote:

honor,

Wire frames are a tool for some interaction design, right? I haven't found
them all that useful for speech interaction design nor would I imagine that
device designers use them much. Same with Ajax.

ph

-----Original Message-----
From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
[mailto: <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com>
discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of honor
gunday
Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 5:53 PM
To: Wilson, Russell
Cc: IxDA Discuss
Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??

Interaction Design = wire frames, navigation flow, proportion of the
elements, placement of the elements, ajax interaction, usability
Design = creating fancy images, graphics, icons, buttons, picking the
colors, rounded corners
Web design: creating the CSS and HTML based on the Design
PM: managing everything

So (PM)+(ID+D+WD)+(Code+DB)+(Hosting/Scalability/Server Configuration)=
final product

On 7/5/07, Wilson, Russell <Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> wrote:
>
> PM + Design - actual design = PM, right?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com ] On Behalf Of
> honor gunday
> Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 4:37 PM
> To: Vishal Iyer
> Cc: IxDA Discuss
> Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 - $250/hr ??
>
> What about Product Management combined with UI/Interaction Design
> without
> doing the actual design?
> Does anybody know ongoing rates for that in the Bay Area?
>
>
>
> On 7/5/07, Vishal Iyer < vishaliyer1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Thats true, but the $35 is the lower end- recent grads etc. Most
> people
> > move
> > to the $50-$75 range pretty quickly.
> >
> > Besides, also depends where you're living. 50K in Sioux falls is a lot
> > different from the same amount in New York. But for some reason, I've
> > noticed that companies never entirely compensate for the cost of
> living.
> > New
> > York for eg, in many cases has even a lower starting range than some
> mid
> > sized cities like Chicgo etc. Thats probably due to the supply/demand
> > equation.
> >
> > On 7/5/07, Carol Smith <carologic at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ah - don't forget insurance costs, equipment, software, etc. Costs
> add
> > up
> > > quickly when you are consulting vs. an employee.
> > >
> > > Carol Smith (soon to be a consultant again)
> > >
> > > On 7/5/07, Vishal Iyer < vishaliyer1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've never contracted, but 50% taxes? Assuming taxes are same as
> > > > full-time
> > > > jobs, 35*40*4*12= 67,200. Doesn't seem too bad to me for a newbie.
> > > >
> > > > On 7/5/07, Anne Hjortshoj < anne.hj at gmail.com
<mailto:anne.hj at gmail.com> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > $35/hour works out to about $17.50 an hour if you're paying
> > quarterly
> > > > > taxes. I can't imagine anyone but a part-timer who does
> interaction
> > > > > design work as a second/night job taking a project like that
> (and
> > even
> > > >
> > > > > then, it's probably a waste of time).
> > > > >
> > > > > /editorial
> > > > >
> > > > > -Anne
> > > > >
> > > > > On 7/5/07, Wilson, Russell < Russell.Wilson at netqos.com
<mailto:Russell.Wilson at netqos.com> > wrote:
> > > > > > There seems to be a LOT of disparity with rates. That may be
> > > > > > due to ambiguity with our roles.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If you have an in-house design function/team with an
> established
> > > > > > process and they just need extra help, (in the form of -
> "we'll
> > > > provide
> > > > > > everything, we just need you to churn out the interface
> design"),
> > > > > > then rates from $35 and up (depending on experience) seem
> > > > reasonable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > BUT, if (as the contractor or consultant) you are providing
> much
> > > > more
> > > > > > than that (product vision, usability, product-line design
> > direction,
> > > > > > etc.)
> > > > > > or working with a company that needs a lot of direction in
> > > > establishing
> > > > > > a true design function, then I would argue rates are MUCH
> > > > higher. This
> > > > > > of course also requires a great-deal more experience.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know of someone (*smile*) with a little over 15yrs of
> experience
> > > > that
> > > > > > charges a base consulting rate of $150/hour in Texas and turns
> > away
> > > > > > projects...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> > > > > > [mailto: <mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com>
discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On
> Behalf
> > Of
> > > > Dan
> > > > > > Saffer
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2007 3:40 PM
> > > > > > To: IxDA Discuss
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Contract Rates going at $150 -
> $250/hr
> > > > ??
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm seeing more like $80-150 USD, with the average being
> around
> > > > > > $100-105. In San Francisco. Assuredly there are rockstars who
> make
> > > > > > more on a contract basis.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Don't confuse agency rates with contract rates!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dan
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> ________________________________________________________________
> > > > > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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> > > > >
> > > > > --
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> > > > > ________________________________________________________________
> > > > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > -Vishal
> > > > http://www.vishaliyer.com
> > > > ________________________________________________________________
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> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > -Vishal
> > http://www.vishaliyer.com
> > ________________________________________________________________
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