"carpet" of bookmarks and sessions ("inside" tabsand windows)

9 Jan 2007 - 4:07am
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Arjan Geven
2006

Hi,

> This may be purely linguistical, but what are exactly
> sessions? This is one of the features in which Opera was
> unique. Each session is a group of web pages, it can be
> auto-saved (useful after a crash and for consistency of
> information) or it can be saved by users. But looking at it,
> why is a session different from a group of webpages inside a
> "carpet" of the bookmarks library? Isn't that redundant?

The difference lays in the history:

- A carpet is a list of URLs.
- A session is the group of windows with their respective histories,

When you use the Firefox functionality to bookmark all open tabs at
once, close all tabs, and reload them from the bookmarks menu, you do
not have the possibility to go back in the history of these.

I'm not very happy with the way any browser currently deals with
bookmarks and history, and there can be a lot of improvement based on
the way people remember the pages they stored as bookmarks in relation
to other pages, keywords, screenshots, etc. The current implementation
is actually very poor and only works well to quickly load pages that you
visit often. Bookmarking pages for future reference is probably more
often used but poorly supported.

> Maybe this is overthinking, but web-browsers can be
> streamlined. Why not call the Bookmarks-menu WebSites or
> WebPages? Is bookmarks clear enough (for first users,
> old-time users are "comfortable" because of habits). And now
> that we're at it, why a "file" menu in a web-browser?
> Shouldn't some "file"
> functions be in the website menu (like Print)? And why "save
> webpage" is in "file-menu" and not in "edit-menu" near copy,
> paste, delete?
>
> This is not only about web-browsers but someone mentioned in
> a web-forum ( www.linuxquestions.org if I recall correctly )
> about naming windows in a different way, like boxes. Windows
> (boxes?), Files (information?), Carpets (lists?), and other
> desktop-names aren't clear at all in most cases, IMO.

Why do all traffic lights look the same...? Why do we call a plant a
plant, a house a house and a tree a tree?

Consistency, consistency and consistency :-),

Best,
Arjan .

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Comments

9 Jan 2007 - 12:42pm
Esteban Barahona
2006

2007/1/9, Arjan Geven <geven en cure.at>:
>
> Hi,
>
> > This may be purely linguistical, but what are exactly
> > sessions? This is one of the features in which Opera was
> > unique. Each session is a group of web pages, it can be
> > auto-saved (useful after a crash and for consistency of
> > information) or it can be saved by users. But looking at it,
> > why is a session different from a group of webpages inside a
> > "carpet" of the bookmarks library? Isn't that redundant?
>
> The difference lays in the history:
>
> - A carpet is a list of URLs.
> - A session is the group of windows with their respective histories,
>
> When you use the Firefox functionality to bookmark all open tabs at
> once, close all tabs, and reload them from the bookmarks menu, you do
> not have the possibility to go back in the history of these.
>
> I'm not very happy with the way any browser currently deals with
> bookmarks and history, and there can be a lot of improvement based on
> the way people remember the pages they stored as bookmarks in relation
> to other pages, keywords, screenshots, etc. The current implementation
> is actually very poor and only works well to quickly load pages that you
> visit often. Bookmarking pages for future reference is probably more
> often used but poorly supported.

What is there respective history?

> Maybe this is overthinking, but web-browsers can be
> > streamlined. Why not call the Bookmarks-menu WebSites or
> > WebPages? Is bookmarks clear enough (for first users,
> > old-time users are "comfortable" because of habits). And now
> > that we're at it, why a "file" menu in a web-browser?
> > Shouldn't some "file"
> > functions be in the website menu (like Print)? And why "save
> > webpage" is in "file-menu" and not in "edit-menu" near copy,
> > paste, delete?
> >
> > This is not only about web-browsers but someone mentioned in
> > a web-forum ( www.linuxquestions.org if I recall correctly )
> > about naming windows in a different way, like boxes. Windows
> > (boxes?), Files (information?), Carpets (lists?), and other
> > desktop-names aren't clear at all in most cases, IMO.
>
> Why do all traffic lights look the same...? Why do we call a plant a
> plant, a house a house and a tree a tree?
>
> Consistency, consistency and consistency :-),
>
> Best,
> Arjan .

It's not using names, it's bringing names that have nothing to do with
computing and expect users to be comfortable because of habit (...some
aren't that bad).

I will continue using "information" instead of "files" though =P

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