[Local IxDA] Announcing IxDA Hong Kong

6 Dec 2006 - 10:00pm
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Adler
2006

Hello All,

This is a very exciting moment! Yesterday we had our kick off F2F
meeting in Hong Kong in the roof top of the Fringe Club. There were
people coming from Philips, Yahoo, HSBC, Apogee HK, Kaizor and Hong
Kong Jockey Club, and also from the Poly University of HK. A good
start, no?

We had some drinks and a good discussion about IxD in HK, what we do
and how complicated is to explain what we do to companies (see below
other topics).

Thanks to Daniel Szuc (HK UPA Chapter) and Nicole Schadewitz (IxD in
Poly University) for helping to spread the word.

Greetings,
Adler

Other topic include: (remember that the context here is HK not Europe or US)

- Next F2F and other events

- What does really Interaction Design mean? How different is it from
other disciplines like Usability, User Experience, Information
Architecture, ...?
We, that are in the field, know the difference but the problem arises
when we try to explain what we do to other people, companies and
organisations.

- One big community instead of many small groups ?!? All the
communities/organisations above aim to design good products. Each
discipline certainly deals with different aspects (behaviour,
interaction, usability, experience, information, ...) and it makes
sense to have these disciplines but the message to the outer world is
difficult to pass and promote. Companies are confused about the
differences of each discipline. (there are sometimes even "funny" job
ads that mix titles, make up new titles or have descriptions
completely different from the title).

Companies want to have good products but they don't know which people
to hire (IxD? Usability? UCD? HCI? UX? IA? ID?...). 98% of the
companies in HK are small medium enterprises so they get really lost
with so many "different" disciplines. We aren't making the life easy
for our customer, i.e., companies interested in our services.

Should we promote and have more co-shared local meetings instead of
many small groups? What's the front end that companies see?

They want better products but they get lost in this usable, user
friendly, useful, ... world of disciplines!

Comments

6 Dec 2006 - 10:54pm
dszuc
2005

Welcome Adler & congratulations.

Pleased to see all communities & disciplines coming together.

Suggest the end game is getting business to understand the value of the
process of involving users & strategic designers to develop products that
delight users.

Welcome organising more events in both HK and China to promote all UX
disciplines. Perhaps an IxDA F2F in Shenzhen?

Rgds,

Daniel Szuc
Principal Usability Consultant
Apogee Usability Asia Ltd
www.apogeehk.com
'Usability in Asia'

The Usability Toolkit - http://www.sitepoint.com/books/usability1/

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Pedro-Jorge Adler
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 11:00 AM
To: local-groups at ixda.org; discuss at ixda.org
Subject: [IxDA Discuss] [Local IxDA] Announcing IxDA Hong Kong

Hello All,

This is a very exciting moment! Yesterday we had our kick off F2F meeting in
Hong Kong in the roof top of the Fringe Club. There were people coming from
Philips, Yahoo, HSBC, Apogee HK, Kaizor and Hong Kong Jockey Club, and also
from the Poly University of HK. A good start, no?

We had some drinks and a good discussion about IxD in HK, what we do and how
complicated is to explain what we do to companies (see below other topics).

Thanks to Daniel Szuc (HK UPA Chapter) and Nicole Schadewitz (IxD in Poly
University) for helping to spread the word.

Greetings,
Adler

Other topic include: (remember that the context here is HK not Europe or US)

- Next F2F and other events

- What does really Interaction Design mean? How different is it from other
disciplines like Usability, User Experience, Information Architecture, ...?
We, that are in the field, know the difference but the problem arises when
we try to explain what we do to other people, companies and organisations.

- One big community instead of many small groups ?!? All the
communities/organisations above aim to design good products. Each discipline
certainly deals with different aspects (behaviour, interaction, usability,
experience, information, ...) and it makes sense to have these disciplines
but the message to the outer world is difficult to pass and promote.
Companies are confused about the differences of each discipline. (there are
sometimes even "funny" job ads that mix titles, make up new titles or have
descriptions completely different from the title).

Companies want to have good products but they don't know which people to
hire (IxD? Usability? UCD? HCI? UX? IA? ID?...). 98% of the companies in HK
are small medium enterprises so they get really lost with so many
"different" disciplines. We aren't making the life easy for our customer,
i.e., companies interested in our services.

Should we promote and have more co-shared local meetings instead of many
small groups? What's the front end that companies see?

They want better products but they get lost in this usable, user friendly,
useful, ... world of disciplines!
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6 Dec 2006 - 11:19pm
regnard
2006

Hello Adler!

Good luck with your IxDA initiatives in HK!

On 12/7/06, Daniel Szuc <dszuc at apogeehk.com> wrote:
> Welcome Adler & congratulations.
>
> Pleased to see all communities & disciplines coming together.
>
> Suggest the end game is getting business to understand the value of the
> process of involving users & strategic designers to develop products that
> delight users.
>
> Welcome organising more events in both HK and China to promote all UX
> disciplines. Perhaps an IxDA F2F in Shenzhen?
>
> Rgds,
>
> Daniel Szuc
> Principal Usability Consultant
> Apogee Usability Asia Ltd
> www.apogeehk.com
> 'Usability in Asia'
>
> The Usability Toolkit - http://www.sitepoint.com/books/usability1/
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of
> Pedro-Jorge Adler
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 11:00 AM
> To: local-groups at ixda.org; discuss at ixda.org
> Subject: [IxDA Discuss] [Local IxDA] Announcing IxDA Hong Kong
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> This is a very exciting moment! Yesterday we had our kick off F2F meeting in
> Hong Kong in the roof top of the Fringe Club. There were people coming from
> Philips, Yahoo, HSBC, Apogee HK, Kaizor and Hong Kong Jockey Club, and also
> from the Poly University of HK. A good start, no?
>
> We had some drinks and a good discussion about IxD in HK, what we do and how
> complicated is to explain what we do to companies (see below other topics).
>
> Thanks to Daniel Szuc (HK UPA Chapter) and Nicole Schadewitz (IxD in Poly
> University) for helping to spread the word.
>
> Greetings,
> Adler
>
>
>
> Other topic include: (remember that the context here is HK not Europe or US)
>
> - Next F2F and other events
>
> - What does really Interaction Design mean? How different is it from other
> disciplines like Usability, User Experience, Information Architecture, ...?
> We, that are in the field, know the difference but the problem arises when
> we try to explain what we do to other people, companies and organisations.
>
> - One big community instead of many small groups ?!? All the
> communities/organisations above aim to design good products. Each discipline
> certainly deals with different aspects (behaviour, interaction, usability,
> experience, information, ...) and it makes sense to have these disciplines
> but the message to the outer world is difficult to pass and promote.
> Companies are confused about the differences of each discipline. (there are
> sometimes even "funny" job ads that mix titles, make up new titles or have
> descriptions completely different from the title).
>
> Companies want to have good products but they don't know which people to
> hire (IxD? Usability? UCD? HCI? UX? IA? ID?...). 98% of the companies in HK
> are small medium enterprises so they get really lost with so many
> "different" disciplines. We aren't making the life easy for our customer,
> i.e., companies interested in our services.
>
> Should we promote and have more co-shared local meetings instead of many
> small groups? What's the front end that companies see?
>
> They want better products but they get lost in this usable, user friendly,
> useful, ... world of disciplines!
> ________________________________________________________________
> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
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7 Dec 2006 - 10:50am
Fredrik Johanss...
2006

I would like to second that

> Companies want to have good products but they don't know which people
> to hire (IxD? Usability? UCD? HCI? UX? IA? ID?...). 98% of the
> companies in HK are small medium enterprises so they get really lost
> with so many "different" disciplines. We aren't making the life easy
> for our customer, i.e., companies interested in our services.

My dream is to package our competence and communicate, not just to companies
but also to the public, about the importance of our disciplines. How we
cooperate producing everyday products, both digital and physical, that
shapes peoples lives.

If we can't communicate the importance of our competence, we can't blame
them for not taking us serious. Let us all (disciplines) together create
local exhibitions with the sole purpose of enlighten companies and the
public about the importance of our roles. The paradigm is shifting
from technology centered development to usability and experience centered
development where the user preceeds technology. Let us inform them about
that shift and that we are the ones who should hold the torch! (please
correct me if I'm wrong)

//Fredrik

On 12/7/06, Regnard Kreisler C. Raquedan <regnard at raquedan.com > wrote:
>
> Hello Adler!
>
> Good luck with your IxDA initiatives in HK!
>
>
> On 12/7/06, Daniel Szuc < dszuc at apogeehk.com> wrote:
> > Welcome Adler & congratulations.
> >
> > Pleased to see all communities & disciplines coming together.
> >
> > Suggest the end game is getting business to understand the value of the
> > process of involving users & strategic designers to develop products
> that
> > delight users.
> >
> > Welcome organising more events in both HK and China to promote all UX
> > disciplines. Perhaps an IxDA F2F in Shenzhen?
> >
> > Rgds,
> >
> > Daniel Szuc
> > Principal Usability Consultant
> > Apogee Usability Asia Ltd
> > www.apogeehk.com
> > 'Usability in Asia'
> >
> > The Usability Toolkit - http://www.sitepoint.com/books/usability1/
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com
> > [mailto:discuss-bounces at lists.interactiondesigners.com] On Behalf Of
> > Pedro-Jorge Adler
> > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 11:00 AM
> > To: local-groups at ixda.org ; discuss at ixda.org
> > Subject: [IxDA Discuss] [Local IxDA] Announcing IxDA Hong Kong
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> > This is a very exciting moment! Yesterday we had our kick off F2F
> meeting in
> > Hong Kong in the roof top of the Fringe Club. There were people coming
> from
> > Philips, Yahoo, HSBC, Apogee HK, Kaizor and Hong Kong Jockey Club, and
> also
> > from the Poly University of HK. A good start, no?
> >
> > We had some drinks and a good discussion about IxD in HK, what we do and
> how
> > complicated is to explain what we do to companies (see below other
> topics).
> >
> > Thanks to Daniel Szuc (HK UPA Chapter) and Nicole Schadewitz (IxD in
> Poly
> > University) for helping to spread the word.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Adler
> >
> >
> >
> > Other topic include: (remember that the context here is HK not Europe or
> US)
> >
> > - Next F2F and other events
> >
> > - What does really Interaction Design mean? How different is it from
> other
> > disciplines like Usability, User Experience, Information Architecture,
> ...?
> > We, that are in the field, know the difference but the problem arises
> when
> > we try to explain what we do to other people, companies and
> organisations.
> >
> > - One big community instead of many small groups ?!? All the
> > communities/organisations above aim to design good products. Each
> discipline
> > certainly deals with different aspects (behaviour, interaction,
> usability,
> > experience, information, ...) and it makes sense to have these
> disciplines
> > but the message to the outer world is difficult to pass and promote.
> > Companies are confused about the differences of each discipline. (there
> are
> > sometimes even "funny" job ads that mix titles, make up new titles or
> have
> > descriptions completely different from the title).
> >
> > Companies want to have good products but they don't know which people to
> > hire (IxD? Usability? UCD? HCI? UX? IA? ID?...). 98% of the companies in
> HK
> > are small medium enterprises so they get really lost with so many
> > "different" disciplines. We aren't making the life easy for our
> customer,
> > i.e., companies interested in our services.
> >
> > Should we promote and have more co-shared local meetings instead of many
> > small groups? What's the front end that companies see?
> >
> > They want better products but they get lost in this usable, user
> friendly,
> > useful, ... world of disciplines!
>
>

7 Dec 2006 - 11:25am
Josh Seiden
2003

Congrats to all in HK. Wish I could have been there with you!

JS

On 12/6/06, Pedro-Jorge Adler <pedro.adler at acm.org> wrote:
>
> Hello All,
>
> This is a very exciting moment! Yesterday we had our kick off F2F
> meeting in Hong Kong in the roof top of the Fringe Club. There were
> people coming from Philips, Yahoo, HSBC, Apogee HK, Kaizor and Hong
> Kong Jockey Club, and also from the Poly University of HK. A good
> start, no?
>
> We had some drinks and a good discussion about IxD in HK, what we do
> and how complicated is to explain what we do to companies (see below
> other topics).
>
> Thanks to Daniel Szuc (HK UPA Chapter) and Nicole Schadewitz (IxD in
> Poly University) for helping to spread the word.
>
> Greetings,
> Adler
>
>
>
> Other topic include: (remember that the context here is HK not Europe or
> US)
>
> - Next F2F and other events
>
> - What does really Interaction Design mean? How different is it from
> other disciplines like Usability, User Experience, Information
> Architecture, ...?
> We, that are in the field, know the difference but the problem arises
> when we try to explain what we do to other people, companies and
> organisations.
>
> - One big community instead of many small groups ?!? All the
> communities/organisations above aim to design good products. Each
> discipline certainly deals with different aspects (behaviour,
> interaction, usability, experience, information, ...) and it makes
> sense to have these disciplines but the message to the outer world is
> difficult to pass and promote. Companies are confused about the
> differences of each discipline. (there are sometimes even "funny" job
> ads that mix titles, make up new titles or have descriptions
> completely different from the title).
>
> Companies want to have good products but they don't know which people
> to hire (IxD? Usability? UCD? HCI? UX? IA? ID?...). 98% of the
> companies in HK are small medium enterprises so they get really lost
> with so many "different" disciplines. We aren't making the life easy
> for our customer, i.e., companies interested in our services.
>
> Should we promote and have more co-shared local meetings instead of
> many small groups? What's the front end that companies see?
>
> They want better products but they get lost in this usable, user
> friendly, useful, ... world of disciplines!
> ________________________________________________________________
> Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)!
> To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org
> List Guidelines ............ http://listguide.ixda.org/
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7 Dec 2006 - 12:59pm
DanP
2006

I was just about to post a question to an earlier thread that stated:

Because without software, it's either ID or User-centered design. That's
doesn't mean it's not interesting or valuable. It just means it's not
IxD.

...with the following text:

"The above comment caught my eye, and mirrors a problem I've been
facing while looking at IxDN as a target field for myself. I am
trained in ID and software design, and hope not to be locked into
software design only. A question for the group, especially those who
hire for designers: What title would you give a Designer who designs
the user interaction of a product, fully spanning both software AND
hardware? Titles are just titles, but under what title would you post
this position if you were looking for such a person? My intuition
tells me this is still Interaction Design."

...but I'm realizing that even the hiring managers can't answer this
question! One can come to this in many ways, and that is both a
blessing and a curse. The market responds to such disparity by
assigning titles based on the work that needs to be done. When people
ask me what I do, I am going to start telling them "I design the way
in which you interact with products" and leave it at that.

Regards,
-Dan

On Dec 7, 2006, at 7:50 AM, Fredrik Johansson Oviedo wrote:
I would like to second that

Companies want to have good products but they don't know which people
to hire (IxD? Usability? UCD? HCI? UX? IA? ID?...). 98% of the
companies in HK are small medium enterprises so they get really lost
with so many "different" disciplines. We aren't making the life easy
for our customer, i.e., companies interested in our services.

My dream is to package our competence and communicate, not just to
companies
but also to the public, about the importance of our disciplines. How we
cooperate producing everyday products, both digital and physical, that
shapes peoples lives.

If we can't communicate the importance of our competence, we can't blame
them for not taking us serious. Let us all (disciplines) together create
local exhibitions with the sole purpose of enlighten companies and the
public about the importance of our roles. The paradigm is shifting
from technology centered development to usability and experience
centered
development where the user preceeds technology. Let us inform them about
that shift and that we are the ones who should hold the torch! (please
correct me if I'm wrong)

//Fredrik

7 Dec 2006 - 1:32pm
Dave Malouf
2005

dnp607 wrote:
<snip>
[Question about title for a designer who does a mix of Industrial Design
and Interaction Design.]
</snip>

In order of my expectations
"Product Designer"
"Interaction Designer"
"Industrial Designer"

This problem of "job hunting" for any UX position has yet to be answered
well enough by any single organization and unfortunately it is a problem
taht really sits with an umbrella group like UXNet, but they are still
trying to figure out some smaller detailed stuff still.

-- dave

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7 Dec 2006 - 3:57pm
niklasw
2005

Congratulations Jorge and the rest of you in HK.

Good luck to you and when you come back to Sweden next time, make sure
to do that on the Third Thursday of the month ;)

--Niklas

On 12/7/06, Pedro-Jorge Adler <pedro.adler at acm.org> wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> This is a very exciting moment! Yesterday we had our kick off F2F
> meeting in Hong Kong in the roof top of the Fringe Club. There were
> people coming from Philips, Yahoo, HSBC, Apogee HK, Kaizor and Hong
> Kong Jockey Club, and also from the Poly University of HK. A good
> start, no?
>
> We had some drinks and a good discussion about IxD in HK, what we do
> and how complicated is to explain what we do to companies (see below
> other topics).
>
> Thanks to Daniel Szuc (HK UPA Chapter) and Nicole Schadewitz (IxD in
> Poly University) for helping to spread the word.
>
> Greetings,
> Adler
>
>
>
> Other topic include: (remember that the context here is HK not Europe or US)
>
> - Next F2F and other events
>
> - What does really Interaction Design mean? How different is it from
> other disciplines like Usability, User Experience, Information
> Architecture, ...?
> We, that are in the field, know the difference but the problem arises
> when we try to explain what we do to other people, companies and
> organisations.
>
> - One big community instead of many small groups ?!? All the
> communities/organisations above aim to design good products. Each
> discipline certainly deals with different aspects (behaviour,
> interaction, usability, experience, information, ...) and it makes
> sense to have these disciplines but the message to the outer world is
> difficult to pass and promote. Companies are confused about the
> differences of each discipline. (there are sometimes even "funny" job
> ads that mix titles, make up new titles or have descriptions
> completely different from the title).
>
> Companies want to have good products but they don't know which people
> to hire (IxD? Usability? UCD? HCI? UX? IA? ID?...). 98% of the
> companies in HK are small medium enterprises so they get really lost
> with so many "different" disciplines. We aren't making the life easy
> for our customer, i.e., companies interested in our services.
>
> Should we promote and have more co-shared local meetings instead of
> many small groups? What's the front end that companies see?
>
> They want better products but they get lost in this usable, user
> friendly, useful, ... world of disciplines!
> _______________________________________________
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> local-groups at lists.ixda.org
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