So you want to be an IxD - education

6 Sep 2006 - 1:44pm
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Mark Schraad
2006

I would contend, that 2 year junior colleges typically serve well as craft based trade schools for the design profession and can produce quality graphic artists and production (print or web) people.

Undergraduate programs should be focused on design fundamentals. Many undergrads leave a four year program woefully under educated in design principles, design theory and design history.

Graduate school, is then where a designer picks a specific discipline... whether it be graphics, industrial, interiors, interactive, architecture, design management, etc.

Unfortunately, few of the fine arts programs, particularly in public university systems are willing to make this move. Under graduate graphic design programs, in particular, are cash cows fo rthe universities.

My 2 cents worth.

Mark

On Wednesday, September 06, 2006, at 11:25AM, Adrian Chong <chongadrian at gmail.com> wrote:

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>Good read, thanks for sharing!
>
>Just wanted to add an undergraduate IxD program would be at Simon
>Fraser University's Surrey Campus in British Columbia, Canada. They
>have an Interaction Design major in their School of Interactive Arts
>and Technology.
>
>On 9/5/06, Gregory Petroff <greg.petroff at gmail.com> wrote:
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>> Nice blog entry by IxDA board member Dan Safer on "So You Want to Be an
>> Interaction Designer 2006". Worth sharing with those who don't know what we
>> do.
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>>
>> http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000656.php
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6 Sep 2006 - 1:54pm
achong
2006

All very true comments Mark but I think there are some schools that
see this problem and are trying to teach those fundamentals. I can
attest to the education at SFU Surrey as it helped prime my brain to
understand human behaviour, design methodologies, etc. Practice is a
strong part of the university but the emphasis is on the design
theory.

I feel fortunate to have gone there.

Here is a sample of their course list:
http://www.siat.sfu.ca/courses/siat-undergraduate?s=-1&p=1&l=0&k=&f=0

The students are lucky to have such an amazing facility as well.
Something the first sets of graduands didn't get to enjoy.

On 9/6/06, mark Schraad <mschraad at mac.com> wrote:
> I would contend, that 2 year junior colleges typically serve well as craft based trade schools for the design profession and can produce quality graphic artists and production (print or web) people.
>
> Undergraduate programs should be focused on design fundamentals. Many undergrads leave a four year program woefully under educated in design principles, design theory and design history.
>
> Graduate school, is then where a designer picks a specific discipline... whether it be graphics, industrial, interiors, interactive, architecture, design management, etc.
>
> Unfortunately, few of the fine arts programs, particularly in public university systems are willing to make this move. Under graduate graphic design programs, in particular, are cash cows fo rthe universities.
>
> My 2 cents worth.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, September 06, 2006, at 11:25AM, Adrian Chong <chongadrian at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >[Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted material.]
> >
> >Good read, thanks for sharing!
> >
> >Just wanted to add an undergraduate IxD program would be at Simon
> >Fraser University's Surrey Campus in British Columbia, Canada. They
> >have an Interaction Design major in their School of Interactive Arts
> >and Technology.
> >
> >On 9/5/06, Gregory Petroff <greg.petroff at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted material.]
> >>
> >> Nice blog entry by IxDA board member Dan Safer on "So You Want to Be an
> >> Interaction Designer 2006". Worth sharing with those who don't know what we
> >> do.
> >>
> >>
> >> http://www.adaptivepath.com/publications/essays/archives/000656.php
> >>
> >>
> >> --greg
> >> --
> >> Gregory Petroff
> >> Mobile # 646 387 2841
> >> greg.petroff(at)gmail.com
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7 Sep 2006 - 10:18am
Xythian Xythian
2006

There was some discussion of large public universities failing to capitalize
on the IxD space. Indiana University has a rapidly growing program in Human
Computer Interaction and Design. The program is housed in a school of
information technology, but its faculty and curriculum are extremely
interdisciplinary. As a side note, students from the program won the last
two student design competitions at the SIG-CHI conferences.

http://hcid.informatics.indiana.edu/

7 Sep 2006 - 12:32pm
mtumi
2004

People keep mentioning other programs, but I got the feeling that Dan
Saffer was purposefully omitting most of them as recommendations,
rather than having left them out as an oversight.

I would be curious to confirm whether that is/is not the case.

I am particular curious if anyone thinks any of the programs in NYC
have "arrived" as far as IxD go.

NYU's ITP and Parson's Design and Technology would be the 2 that come
to mind as contenders. I'm not knocking either program, but I get
the impression they may not be focused enough on IxD to come up in a
discussion of interaction design programs. I realize this is
somewhat of a dead horse, but I still find it surprising NY seems so
far behind the curve in HCI and similar programs. We're no silicon
alley, but we have a few computers lying around. :-)

Michael

7 Sep 2006 - 2:36pm
achong
2006

Michael,

I'm pretty sure you're right that Dan omitted some institutions in his
article. I only mentioned SFU Surrey because it is an undergraduate
program that deals with IxD.

On 9/7/06, Michael Tuminello <mt at motiontek.com> wrote:
> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted material.]
>
> People keep mentioning other programs, but I got the feeling that Dan
> Saffer was purposefully omitting most of them as recommendations,
> rather than having left them out as an oversight.
>
> I would be curious to confirm whether that is/is not the case.
>
> I am particular curious if anyone thinks any of the programs in NYC
> have "arrived" as far as IxD go.
>
> NYU's ITP and Parson's Design and Technology would be the 2 that come
> to mind as contenders. I'm not knocking either program, but I get
> the impression they may not be focused enough on IxD to come up in a
> discussion of interaction design programs. I realize this is
> somewhat of a dead horse, but I still find it surprising NY seems so
> far behind the curve in HCI and similar programs. We're no silicon
> alley, but we have a few computers lying around. :-)
>
> Michael
>
>
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7 Sep 2006 - 3:15pm
Dan Saffer
2003

On Sep 7, 2006, at 10:32 AM, Michael Tuminello wrote:

> People keep mentioning other programs, but I got the feeling that Dan
> Saffer was purposefully omitting most of them as recommendations,
> rather than having left them out as an oversight.
>
> I would be curious to confirm whether that is/is not the case.

Yes. I was only recommending programs that I personally knew about
and liked the curriculum/faculty/methods.

There are programs that I knew about and deliberately omitted because
I didn't like some or all of those things. Many of the HCI programs
fall into this category, as do some that have been offered up here as
alternatives. Just my opinion. Your mileage may vary. :)

There are others that I have heard good things about, but don't know
much about personally (SCAD and Umea spring to mind).

A while ago I put together a list of all the IxD programs I was aware
of that I felt taught interaction design from a design perspective:

http://resources.ixda.org/archive/2005/05/graduate-programs-in-
interaction-design/

Dan

Dan Saffer
book http://www.designingforinteraction.com
work http://www.adaptivepath.com
site http://www.odannyboy.com

7 Sep 2006 - 4:03pm
Mark Schraad
2006

There are a lot of issues involved in recommending a design school. In my case I stayed in Kansas partly because I was there and so as my daughter. I studied under several well published and very highly regarded experts in interaction. Additionally, I was able to customize my curriculum to involve a lot of cognitive and behavioral research... and integrate previous graduate work in marketing, graphics and interface as well as the experience I already had. It would have been a huge waste of time and money for me to go through a more standardized program such as CMU given my experience and career goals. I know a dozen or so graduates from Kansas (a school that NObody thinks of for interaction design) that can go toe-to-toe with anyone I have met from CMU and ITT. Easy to say I am biased... and I am, a bit.

The regiment at Kansas (the design department was formed in 1922 - well before the new bauhaus) is deeply routed in the teachings from IIT, Chuck Owens and others. Sharon Poggenpohl (at one point the head of IIT's Doctoral program) is a former KU professor for instance.

Certainly CMU, Royal, IIT and d.school have the largest collection of famous names and likely the most money... but those are certainly not the only criteria a student should consider. Some may want a cross disciplinary school, others a theory based education, and yet others a more applied course of study. Some may indeed be willing to pay a premium tuition for the surety of having a great job before they graduate - certainly the case at IIT. SImply listing the top schools is not terribly useful. In many cases a single professor can make all the difference in the world.

Mark

On Thursday, September 07, 2006, at 10:41AM, Michael Tuminello <mt at motiontek.com> wrote:

>[Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted material.]
>
>People keep mentioning other programs, but I got the feeling that Dan
>Saffer was purposefully omitting most of them as recommendations,
>rather than having left them out as an oversight.
>
>I would be curious to confirm whether that is/is not the case.
>
>I am particular curious if anyone thinks any of the programs in NYC
>have "arrived" as far as IxD go.
>
>NYU's ITP and Parson's Design and Technology would be the 2 that come
>to mind as contenders. I'm not knocking either program, but I get
>the impression they may not be focused enough on IxD to come up in a
>discussion of interaction design programs. I realize this is
>somewhat of a dead horse, but I still find it surprising NY seems so
>far behind the curve in HCI and similar programs. We're no silicon
>alley, but we have a few computers lying around. :-)
>
>Michael
>
>
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