Looking for a camcoder

25 Jul 2006 - 5:24am
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Maral Haar
2006

Hi everyone,

I am looking for a camcoder to record users in the hospital. As I
might need to do some night recordings as well, I definitely need a
camcoder with a night shot feature for recordings with 0 lux (which
means a infrared recording). Another requirement is a standard audio
in, to be able to connect any kind of microphone (in opposite to
Sony's "Active interface Shoe). But those requirements are not a
problem, I found several options which fit these demands.

The cirtical requirment is, that I would like to be able to record for
a long time(optimum would be several days) without the need to do
anything (like changing tapes). My idea was to connect the camcoder to
a pc and then stream the data directly on the harddisc. Unfortunately
the customer service of Canon told me, that this is generally
impossible.

Does anybody knows otherwise? Or do you have other suggestions
concerning the data storage? As far as I know, the harddisk camcoders
have maximum 60 GB capacity which means something like 3 days, but
correct me if you know otherwise!

Any recommendations or hints would be appreaciated!

Thanks in advance,

Maral

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25 Jul 2006 - 9:19pm
Jay Morgan
2006

Maral wrote:
My idea was to connect the camcorder to a pc and then stream the data
directly on the hard disc. Unfortunately
the customer service of Canon told me, that this is generally impossible.

Streaming to a pc/computer is the idea, I agree. It is possible. I'm not
sure what the Canon rep based this on, but I think a few manufacturers have
the technology to support this.
My experience is from usability testing, where we used a Sony D8 that had
USB and FireWire output options. The camera came with software (installed
easily, performed effectively, although ugly) that let us link the D8 to the
pc with either USB or FireWire and record on hard disk. I used it for
recording lab video to the hard drive for paper prototype sessions and also
in conjunction with Morae on other test sessions.
[I'm scouring my memory for the particular process, but I can't figure out
what the Canon rep have to warn you about. Please let me know if I can't
possibly be right, or if the only way I could've done this was with Morae
and I've confused myself.]

I'll check on the camera and follow up with you if I find details. CNet or
Sony should have details.
Good luck,
Jay

On 7/25/06, Maral Haar <maral.haar at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am looking for a camcoder to record users in the hospital. As I
> might need to do some night recordings as well, I definitely need a
> camcoder with a night shot feature for recordings with 0 lux (which
> means a infrared recording). Another requirement is a standard audio
> in, to be able to connect any kind of microphone (in opposite to
> Sony's "Active interface Shoe). But those requirements are not a
> problem, I found several options which fit these demands.
>
> The cirtical requirment is, that I would like to be able to record for
> a long time(optimum would be several days) without the need to do
> anything (like changing tapes). My idea was to connect the camcoder to
> a pc and then stream the data directly on the harddisc. Unfortunately
> the customer service of Canon told me, that this is generally
> impossible.
>
> Does anybody knows otherwise? Or do you have other suggestions
> concerning the data storage? As far as I know, the harddisk camcoders
> have maximum 60 GB capacity which means something like 3 days, but
> correct me if you know otherwise!
>
> Any recommendations or hints would be appreaciated!
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Maral
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26 Jul 2006 - 1:46am
Maral Haar
2006

Hi Jay,

thank you for your help. I found out, that apparently camcoders with
DV-out (e.g. firewire) *might* enable recording directly onto the
harddisk. But that does not mean, each camcoder with DV-out will
support that. I know for sure, that at least one Canon does not, and
so maybe the Canon customer support gave me infromation which is true
for all their camcoders, but not for all those of other manufacturers.

So I will ask directly at Sony which of their models will enable that
and otherwise I'm thankful for reports from anybody who did successful
stream data on the harddisk with certain camcoders, and if one of them
fits my other requirements, I'll go for one of them!

Kind regards,

Maral

On 7/26/06, Jay Morgan <jayamorgan at gmail.com> wrote:

Streaming to a pc/computer is the idea, I agree. It is possible. I'm not
sure what the Canon rep based this on, but I think a few manufacturers have
the technology to support this.

[I'm scouring my memory for the particular process, but I can't figure out
what the Canon rep have to warn you about. Please let me know if I can't
possibly be right, or if the only way I could've done this was with Morae
and I've confused myself.]

26 Jul 2006 - 3:14am
Ryan Nichols
2005

I had to chime in on this one. I bought the JVC hard drive camcorder
for the same purpose. I figured the hard disk media would be perfect
for quickly getting it onto our laptops. Couple warnings:

1) The indoor video quality is quite poor. As in...I'm getting rid of
it...poor. For usability tests, interviews, and the like -- which are
all indoors -- this is a deal breaker.
2) The transferring of video is a hassle. It doesn't record into any
format that's useful. You still have to encode it into AVI or MOV
tonce you transferred it to your computer. This process can take a
while, reducing the advantage of having a hard disk media. It's still
faster than the 1 to 1 transfer of a digital tape, but something that
was still quite disappointing.

Hope this helps.

Ryan Nichols
Apples To Oranges
www.apples-to-oranges.com

On Jul 25, 2006, at Tue, Jul 25, 3:24AM, Maral Haar wrote:

> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am looking for a camcoder to record users in the hospital. As I
> might need to do some night recordings as well, I definitely need a
> camcoder with a night shot feature for recordings with 0 lux (which
> means a infrared recording). Another requirement is a standard audio
> in, to be able to connect any kind of microphone (in opposite to
> Sony's "Active interface Shoe). But those requirements are not a
> problem, I found several options which fit these demands.
>
> The cirtical requirment is, that I would like to be able to record for
> a long time(optimum would be several days) without the need to do
> anything (like changing tapes). My idea was to connect the camcoder to
> a pc and then stream the data directly on the harddisc. Unfortunately
> the customer service of Canon told me, that this is generally
> impossible.
>
> Does anybody knows otherwise? Or do you have other suggestions
> concerning the data storage? As far as I know, the harddisk camcoders
> have maximum 60 GB capacity which means something like 3 days, but
> correct me if you know otherwise!
>
> Any recommendations or hints would be appreaciated!
>
> Thanks in advance,
>
> Maral
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26 Jul 2006 - 10:20am
Jough
2006

Excuse my ignorance, but I thought this was something that every camcorder
could accomplish. I purchased a cheap JVC for testing purposes several
years ago (about 3) from Best Buy for $300. It had digital capabilities and
recorded to one of those DV tapes. Much to my surprise, after reading
through the owner's manual I had concluded that by plugging in the firewire
connection to a pc I would be able to record directly to the hard drive with
the included software. Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't firewire send
information to the pc in streams rather than packets (as USB does)?
Wouldn't this allow most if not all camcorders that have firewire output to
accomplish the task at hand; assuming the correct software is installed?

Jough

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>
> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
>
> I had to chime in on this one. I bought the JVC hard drive camcorder
> for the same purpose. I figured the hard disk media would be perfect
> for quickly getting it onto our laptops. Couple warnings:
>
> 1) The indoor video quality is quite poor. As in...I'm getting rid of
> it...poor. For usability tests, interviews, and the like -- which are
> all indoors -- this is a deal breaker.
> 2) The transferring of video is a hassle. It doesn't record into any
> format that's useful. You still have to encode it into AVI or MOV
> tonce you transferred it to your computer. This process can take a
> while, reducing the advantage of having a hard disk media. It's still
> faster than the 1 to 1 transfer of a digital tape, but something that
> was still quite disappointing.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
>
>
> Ryan Nichols
> Apples To Oranges
> www.apples-to-oranges.com
>
>
>
> On Jul 25, 2006, at Tue, Jul 25, 3:24AM, Maral Haar wrote:
>
> > [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> > material.]
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I am looking for a camcoder to record users in the hospital. As I
> > might need to do some night recordings as well, I definitely need a
> > camcoder with a night shot feature for recordings with 0 lux (which
> > means a infrared recording). Another requirement is a standard audio
> > in, to be able to connect any kind of microphone (in opposite to
> > Sony's "Active interface Shoe). But those requirements are not a
> > problem, I found several options which fit these demands.
> >
> > The cirtical requirment is, that I would like to be able to record for
> > a long time(optimum would be several days) without the need to do
> > anything (like changing tapes). My idea was to connect the camcoder to
> > a pc and then stream the data directly on the harddisc. Unfortunately
> > the customer service of Canon told me, that this is generally
> > impossible.
> >
> > Does anybody knows otherwise? Or do you have other suggestions
> > concerning the data storage? As far as I know, the harddisk camcoders
> > have maximum 60 GB capacity which means something like 3 days, but
> > correct me if you know otherwise!
> >
> > Any recommendations or hints would be appreaciated!
> >
> > Thanks in advance,
> >
> > Maral

26 Jul 2006 - 5:47pm
Josh Seiden
2003

Any camcorder with a firewire connection should be able to stream output
over firewire--what you'll need is some software on the computer to capture
the output.

Any Mac with iMovie can do this out of the box. Don't know about storage
limits etc.

A good source in camcorder info is www.camcorderinfo.com

JS

> -----Original Message-----
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I am looking for a camcoder to record users in the hospital.

26 Jul 2006 - 6:09pm
Juan Pablo Garcia
2004

Hi:

Just my 2 cents...I have several Canon camcorders and I´ve been able
to record directly to disk without a problem. It´s a matter of soft
and hard in the PC side: I use a Macbook and iMovie or the free
package "Vidi". If your are really doing this for a living, I really
can´t make you a better sugestion than "go get a Mac..." It just
plain works. One of the things that you must have in mind, is that
you must use it without the tape to avoid the cam going to sleep when
left unatended. I don´t know if new camcorders have any limitation on
this, but mine is 1 year old and works fine.

I´ve also developed a video analysis software that I can give you to
test if it´s useful. It is sports oriented, but the use is very
simple: Once you have a movie, you can make "bookmarks" and take
notes regarding events in the movie. You can order, export, search
and review the shots based on the marks you have made. If anyone
likes it, I can send it for a test. It´s Mac or Windows.

regards,

JP

On 27/07/2006, at 0:47, Joshua Seiden wrote:

> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
>
> Any camcorder with a firewire connection should be able to stream
> output
> over firewire--what you'll need is some software on the computer to
> capture
> the output.
>
> Any Mac with iMovie can do this out of the box. Don't know about
> storage
> limits etc.
>
> A good source in camcorder info is www.camcorderinfo.com
>
> JS
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I am looking for a camcoder to record users in the hospital.
>
>
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