Sorting with the word "The"

17 Jul 2006 - 12:15pm
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Christopher Fahey
2005

Can anyone offer an answer as to why iTunes disregards leading "The"s when
sorting Artist names (putting "The Fall" right next to "Fats Waller") but
puts all the "The"s together when sorting by song titles?

(By the way, I agree with the iTunes person-name sorting approach, advocated
in High Fidelity, where artist names are sorted in the order of the words in
the name (not by "lastname, firstname") since many pop artists' names are
made up anyway. Iggy Pop goes under "I" not "P".)

Thanks,
-Cf

Christopher Fahey
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17 Jul 2006 - 12:21pm
Thomas Vander Wal
2004

When iTunes came out I complained to a fried who is an amateur music
archivist (his undergrad and grad were in the LIS schools, but did
media and GIS), he stated that was the norm. He was very happy iTunes
did artists this manner. The short of a long explaination for song
names was similar to why you put Iggy Pop under "I", as the song name
is made up and if the artist intended the "The" it is sorted with the
word making a difference, er having meaning.

ATB,
Thomas

On 7/17/06, Christopher Fahey <chris.fahey at behaviordesign.com> wrote:
> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted material.]
>
> Can anyone offer an answer as to why iTunes disregards leading "The"s when
> sorting Artist names (putting "The Fall" right next to "Fats Waller") but
> puts all the "The"s together when sorting by song titles?
>
> (By the way, I agree with the iTunes person-name sorting approach, advocated
> in High Fidelity, where artist names are sorted in the order of the words in
> the name (not by "lastname, firstname") since many pop artists' names are
> made up anyway. Iggy Pop goes under "I" not "P".)
>
> Thanks,
> -Cf
>
> Christopher Fahey
> ____________________________
> Behavior
> http://www.behaviordesign.com
> me: http://www.graphpaper.com
>
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17 Jul 2006 - 1:08pm
Dan Weese
2006

WinAmp follows this method as well. MusicMatch still sorts the "The" as the
first word in the name.

Dan
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Subject: Re: [IxDA Discuss] Sorting with the word "The"

> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
> material.]
>
> When iTunes came out I complained to a fried who is an amateur music
> archivist (his undergrad and grad were in the LIS schools, but did
> media and GIS), he stated that was the norm. He was very happy iTunes
> did artists this manner. The short of a long explaination for song
> names was similar to why you put Iggy Pop under "I", as the song name
> is made up and if the artist intended the "The" it is sorted with the
> word making a difference, er having meaning.
>
> ATB,
> Thomas
>
> On 7/17/06, Christopher Fahey <chris.fahey at behaviordesign.com> wrote:
>> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted
>> material.]
>>
>> Can anyone offer an answer as to why iTunes disregards leading "The"s
>> when
>> sorting Artist names (putting "The Fall" right next to "Fats Waller") but
>> puts all the "The"s together when sorting by song titles?
>>
>> (By the way, I agree with the iTunes person-name sorting approach,
>> advocated
>> in High Fidelity, where artist names are sorted in the order of the words
>> in
>> the name (not by "lastname, firstname") since many pop artists' names are
>> made up anyway. Iggy Pop goes under "I" not "P".)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> -Cf
>>
>> Christopher Fahey
>> ____________________________
>> Behavior
>> http://www.behaviordesign.com
>> me: http://www.graphpaper.com
>>
>> ________________________________________________________________
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