why stay at jobs that don't give you what you want need? (was Re: IxD Advice for Developers)
14 Jul 2006 - 9:03am
You really are lucky and you dont know...
I know that im quite young ( im only 20 yr old ), but i have been
working with internet since i was 16. As i was not satisfied with what
i was doing, I started to study HCI, Usability and Information
Architecture, and i really liked. I started to read in an unusualy
was... i read about 10 books in 6 months, whats is really impressive
for me ( i didnt had the habit of reading that much ). I did 2 courses
( one about Usability and the other about IA ) and now that i thought
i was at least better prepared to work as a Junior IA or something
similar, i still have to stay where i work, even thinking that i could
do much more...
Why? here in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, there are only 2 usability
companies and REALLY few companies that care about that... In my case
it will be really hard to find a job in this field, because are to few
opportunities.. Even the courses and books are too few... And more
some people were talking about researches, here i never saw one...
Researches here are limitaded to few universities and companies ( like
those 2 i said before )
You all should be happy, you are much better then me.. :-/
2006/7/14, Dan Weese <dweese at caelumtechnology.com>:
> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted material.] > > I agree. I have been looking, but I have a couple problems. I've been here 5 > years. I was brought in as a senior level VB developer and have been given > healthy raises most years. About 2 years ago, we started transitioning to C > Sharp. I am now considered a junior level C# developer, but my pay is at a > level of a senior C# developer. Nobody will touch me unless I take a $25,000 > a year pay cut. > > So, I had to devise a different plan. I stopped looking for a job. The > development at work is very minimal thanks to the CIO designing this > "wizard" to make cookie cutter applications and almost eliminate any actual > coding. If I showed the application to people on this list, they would > probably implode into a pile of goo. It is possibly the absolute worst user > experience I have ever seen. The initial main UI screen design was mine, but > he took the entire application and serialized it into the database, which > means every screen takes about 12 seconds to load because it first has to > make a trip to the database to get the field definitions, locations, sizes, > etc, and draw them. Then trip #2 gets the data for any lookups, then trip #3 > gets the actual data. And if we needed to make a feature perform in a > certain way, if it involved actually writing code to make it work, he > discarded the feature altogether, or reworked it until it fit into his > wizard. I shudder to think what our 3000 users will do when we force them > to "upgrade" to this new platform at the end of the year. They have no idea > it's coming. > > But, I digress...... > > Back to the plan. > > I do work on the side when I can. I decided to continue writing code at > home, which right now is the only way I'm learning C#. I'm writing 2 > applications that have the potential to sell commercially, and in the > process, my C# skills are getting closer to my pay grade. If all goes well, > I'll have 2 options. I can go get a job somewhere else as a senior level > developer and keep my pay, or my applications will sell commercially and I > will quit altogether to devote full time to my new venture. At the very > least, I'm learning C#. > > Dan > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Dave (Heller) Malouf" <dave at ixda.org> > To: <discuss at ixda.org> > Sent: Friday, July 14, 2006 8:39 AM > Subject: [IxDA Discuss] why stay at jobs that don't give you what you > want/need? (was Re: IxD Advice for Developers) > > > > [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted > > material.] > > > > The previous thread about advice for developers and a conversation last > > night at the NYC local gathering (more on that in a separate thread) I > > had discussions with people who were really unhappy with their work > > environments for various reasons. > > > > I'd like to put out there that voting with your feet is definitely an > > option right now. There are way too many jobs out there. Recruiters are > > even giving bonuses for referrals they are so desperate for good talent. > > > > I'm sure that Dan and others have reasons for staying, and that is > > valid, but I wonder with this new bubble, do good designers really need > > to put up with some of the non-designer bull that is out there? > > > > Just a thought. > > > > -- dave > > > > > > Dan Weese wrote: > >> [Please voluntarily trim replies to include only relevant quoted > >> material.] > >> > >> Unfortunately, I was not able to attend the Practicum. I attended a 3 day > >> seminar held at the San Jose Museum. It was a great class, and made me > >> want > >> to take the Practicum, but my company won't pay for it. As it was, I had > >> to > >> agree to take the class in lieu of a raise that year, and I still almost > >> had > >> to pay for my own hotel room. I knew this company would never let me put > >> these skills into practice, but I took the class for the projects I do at > >> home on my own time. It was worth it to me to pass up a raise to take the > >> class. > >> > >> Dan > > > > -- > > > > David (Heller) Malouf > > Vice President > > dave(at)ixda(dot)org > > http://ixda.org/ > > http://synapticburn.com/ > > > > AIM: bolinhanyc // Y!: dave_ux // > > MSN: hippiefunk(at)hotmail.com // Gtalk: dave.ixd(at)gmail.com > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! > > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org > > List Guidelines ............ http://listguide.ixda.org/ > > List Help .................. http://listhelp.ixda.org/ > > (Un)Subscription Options ... http://subscription-options.ixda.org/ > > Announcements List ......... http://subscribe-announce.ixda.org/ > > Questions .................. lists at ixda.org > > Home ....................... http://ixda.org/ > > Resource Library ........... http://resources.ixda.org > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Welcome to the Interaction Design Association (IxDA)! > To post to this list ....... discuss at ixda.org > List Guidelines ............ http://listguide.ixda.org/ > List Help .................. http://listhelp.ixda.org/ > (Un)Subscription Options ... http://subscription-options.ixda.org/ > Announcements List ......... http://subscribe-announce.ixda.org/ > Questions .................. lists at ixda.org > Home ....................... http://ixda.org/ > Resource Library ........... http://resources.ixda.org >